Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable: Surface V

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Holy crap you guys I’m so so so sorry for the delay. This Let’s Read is still important to me and fun for me and I really appreciate everyone’s patience. To make up for it, please enjoy this picture of me posing at SXSW, which is what I was doing instead of writing this entry 

I’m posing here with notable IRL shounen anime protagonist Michael A. Zekas, Voiceover Talent, who provided standout performances in Slam Fighter II and #Everest.  You should play those games right after you finish reading this Let’s Read!

JJBA Chapter 293
Chapter 28 of Diamond is Unbreakable
Surface V

Translation: Invincible Trio

Jotaro reads the newspaper while seated at a bench at the main plaza of the Morioh Station.
The composition here is interesting because it very strongly leads the eye to the white space on the left side of the panel, the opposite side that the audience should be reading in. The framing is so strong that it’s surely deliberate. I have a few theories on why this was done: first, to increase tension by forcing the reader to read opposite what seems comfortable, and second, to create a sense of expectation – the empty space feels, well, empty, so the scene feels incomplete. From Jotaro’s point of view this is surely the case, as he’s waiting for Josuke. From our point of view, we agree – Hazamada and Surface will be arriving any moment now.

Wanna point out that Jotaro is also comically large in relation to the bench here. Araki has been playing fast and loose with Jotaro’s relative size for ages now, but he’s doing so not because he hasn’t got a model sheet or doesn’t care – it’s more important that we see Jotaro as a man living in a world that wasn’t made to accommodate his size () than we try to work out how big anything is relative to his height, which is a “known” quantity due to character bio pages and the like.

So yeah, not a new observation, but yes, Jotaro is larger than life. Not only does he have neato powers that most mortal folk don’t have, he’s the protagonist of the previous story, so he’s “large” in the lore too.

Meanwhile, Josuke and Koichi are following Hazamada from a safe distance, sight unseen. They happen upon the aftermath of the hyperviolent scene that took place at the end of the previous chapter. (That delightful scene in which Hazamada brutalized some dudes for comparing him to a cricket.)
“He’s doing whatever he wants with your impersonation!” Koichi’s sweating bullets here (also appears to be leaning diagonally for some reason.)

“Yeah he sure is…” Josuke says looking mildly inconvenienced. “What do we do with Hazamada now, I wonder…” Koichi expresses incredulity that Josuke doesn’t seem to be worked up at all.

Koichi explains – with a slickly drafted visual aid – how Hazamada will arrive at the station and encounter Jotaro.

It’s always interesting to see how Araki combines storytelling through symbols (stuff you aren’t supposed to take literally, like Jotaro’s size relative to the bench) with storytelling through worldbuilding (this map here implying that Morioh has a stable, internally consistent street plan.)

At any rate, Josuke’s definitely rockin’ the

He then puts an arm around Koichi and begins to relate to him (but not us!) what will surely be a cunning plan.

We cut to Hazamada and Surface – Hazamada asks Surface if they’re being followed but Surface hasn’t seen any sign of Josuke or Koichi.

They suddenly hear the sound of a train coming. Hazamada lets Surface know that with the fastest path to the station blocked by the passing train, they’ll have to take a detour. They hurry off towards their alternate route.

AAAAahh Koichi did it!

I actually didn’t expect that. Nicely done!

From the pedestrian bridge above the street he had just scampered from, Hazamada spots Josuke and Koichi dashing across the train-free tracks and on towards the station. While this would make anyone do a double take, we are once again treated to signs of a deeper freakout on the part of Hazamada.

Meanwhile…

Heh, I like this scene transition – it has a lot of impact. We just immediately get all up in Jotaro’s face. It’s almost startling. It leaves the impression that Jotaro didn’t watch Josuke and Koichi approach, he just looked up from the paper and suddenly noticed them.

While he’s not aware of the severity of the danger he’s in, he’s waiting on some critical intel, so he was probably somewhat anxiously awaiting Our Heroes’ arrival.

Koichi and Josuke get Jotaro caught up on the day’s events as Hazamada arrives looking dead tired.

Damn, he looks like a fuckin’ zombie. Well, so driven over the edge that he seems to have lost his humanity. He looks crazy enough to do all kinds of fucked up shit. (Narratively, these panels raise the stakes.)

Incidentally, this is hilarious:

As Josuke gives Jotaro the full story, he nonchalantly grabs a pen from Jotaro’s jacket.

Uh ohhhhhhhhh

”Why the hell am I holding a pen?” wonders Josuke. “Why did I….take this pen from Jotaro’s coat pocket?!”

Jotaro seems kind of…not concerned. Particularly after hearing what Hazamada can do. And Koichi too, what the hell? I thought he was being set up to be reasonably perceptive!

But for Hazamada to be controlling Josuke again with Surface, he’d have to be somewhere nearb-

Oh shit.

Whoa,

Looks like Surface can control Josuke’s facial expressions. Don’t think I need to explain why that’s unsettling.

As Josuke fights Surface’s control, Hazamada takes the time to have a nice internal monologue. Fuck it, I ain’t typin’ that shit out.

This manga is so fucking good.

Hazamada’s insecurity led him to mistreat those biker guys which led them to return the favor, which led to him failing to succeed at his goal – the goal at this point having shifted away from any kind of practical villainy and into attempting to assuage his deeply set insecurity.

Hahaha, Josuke seems calm but he’s avoiding Jotaro’s gaze. This implies to me that he was pretty sure they were fucked. Koichi’s drowsy expression here makes me forgive him a bit since it seems to imply that the last several pages happened over the course of like, maybe two seconds.

Our eyes are invited to linger on this panel by its size and spare black background.

Looks like that blow to the noggin’ was enough to disrupt Hazamada’s ability to project his stand power.

The two biker guys explain that Josuke healed them and told them where Hazamada was heading. Ahh, so this was Josuke’s plan this whole time! I retroactively change my interpretation of his dodging Jotaro’s glance from “I didn’t have a plan and thought we were fucked” to “I was depending on an extremely risky gamble to survive this and I thought it didn’t work out and we were fucked.” Heh.

Oh yeah so then they presumably go on to beat the shit out of Hazamada.

Well, all’s well that ends well, right Josuke?

“Well, guess I’ll just break his doll-thing too. It’ll make me feel better.”

A few Dora Dora’s and Surface is in pieces.

Meanwhile…

Postscript
Damn this was a really well-written story. Great themes, great art, and we get a lot of really great moments that show us more facets of Josuke and Koichi.

So, thoughts on this arc now that it’s wrapped up: in short, I thought it was great. Once again, in this arc, I would argue that the real protagonist is Hazamada. Why? Josuke and Koichi don’t really face any dilemma on a personal level. Hazamada is the one who has to grapple with whether or not he can resist taking the kind of self-destructive action that shields him from confronting his flaw (crippling insecurity in this case.) Josuke is pretty much the same person at the end of this story as he was the day before. What is nice about the fact that Josuke and Koichi didn’t really change in this arc is thatour understanding of who they are gets to change. What I mean by that is, this arc allowed us to refine our picture of who these guys are by putting them in some novel situations. We knew before that Josuke could be cool under pressure, but after this story we now have a clearer and more specific idea of how that reflects on who Josuke is as a person. A lack of character growth isn’t bad if the story still allows us to see new facets of a character.

Because Hazamada was the character who was under the most pressure emotionally, I can’t help but compare him to Keicho. Not only was Keicho also someone who would rather behave in a self-destructive pattern than confront their own flaws, Keicho was also undone more or less as a result of his own choices with little direct action by Josuke. I’ll be curious to see if this ends up being how most enemies in this series end up getting taken out. If so, that’s pretty zen – Josuke defeats his enemies by redirecting their momentum back at them. Still, I kind of hope that that isn’t the case as in both this story and Echoes Josuke seemed so cold and detached that he stopped feeling like a teenager to me, which is a shame because I thought Araki managed to strike a pretty good balance between having him seem wise beyond his years and keeping his behavior age-appropriate.

Lumberjack Bonanza

I’ve always loved the way Araki draws blood and gore. Just look at that hit Hazamada takes: the way the blood just soars out of him when he gets hit by the helmet manages to be both comically absurd and deadly serious.

Moltrey

Koichi using Echoes on the train track was the moment Part 4 went from having a sizeable chunk of my interest to having my full attention. Koichi’s little sound effect turtle baby being a critical part in winning this exchange was such a great change of pace from Part 3 and got a good “Fuck, I did not think of solution, but it 100% totally works” out of me. Some good shit compared to how Echoes’ introduction chapter was resolved.

Also Josuke clinching this fight not through any beatdown of his own, but kindness through helping those bikers is cool for thematic and character reasons

Lumberjack Bonanza

Yeah, I really like how helpful Echoes is fighting Surface, in really clever and creative ways. It’s such a step up from the introduction. I know I was pretty obtuse the last time it got brought up but introducing it by having Koichi essentially shout his way to victory still doesn’t sit right. It just seems so… inelegant.

Moltrey

It is pretty rough, but I still appreciated the application of his power going from Making A Man Lose His Mind to Making His Mom Believe Him. I honestly didn’t see much use of Echoes past driving people crazy.

Momomo

I would say that’s a pretty damn useful power that would work on literally any human if Koichi really felt like doing it.

The way he won was more about him having the confidence to stand up to a weirdo and assert that he is, in fact, strong (and also a good boy). It wasn’t just Koichi yelling at the top of his lungs in defiance.

Dias

I stand (heh) by my original statement about Echoes – it is kinda broken.

Hobgoblin2099

Now see, this was a much better outing for Koichi and Echoes. I have to notice, though, that he didn’t go Super Saiyan while using Echoes this time around.

Okuyasu Nijimura

I like that chapter a lot because it’s definitely scary and all but has subtle comedic moments that work well. The pen grab is just really funny to me somehow.

Johnny Joestar

the next little bit is definitely going to be interesting in terms of koichi getting some characterization. that and what went on in the events of surface are good at pointing out that he exists as more than just a walking infodump, which is definitely necessary since he starts things out as being the speedwagon of morioh.

Butt Ghost
Xibanya

I always wonders if the bottom panel here inspired early Persona boxart

Moltrey

Before the Part 4 anime was announced, there were some mock Part 4 anime screenshots that I was never sure of the source of. I saw some say they were from David Pro people, but in hindsight that seems dubious. Either way, one of them was from this fight and it owned.

Josuke Higashikata

100% not David

Hobgoblin2099

Pretty good for a fake, though.

 

I agree with everyone else, Echoes was way more fun in this story than in the one in which Koichi was the star. Go figure. I did think the one misplaced thing in this arc was Kobayashi’s appearance as Koichi’s manservant, but I’m pretty interested to see if that has some kind of narrative payoff at some point.

Ah, and with that out of the way, that means we can move on to an arc I’ve been looking forward to for a long time! While I get started, everyone please enjoy this extremely serious video. I know I posted it before several months ago, but damn it it’s good enough to watch again!

Let’s Read JJBA4: The Nijimura Brothers (Part 9)

Let's Read
We just got the meaty revelation that Keicho’s motive for creating stand users was to generate a stand capable of killing his father. Why does he want his father dead? Because his father had DIO’s cells implanted inside him. Keicho has been working on “Project Patricide” since childhood and that’s why the bow and arrow set he’s clutching like a security blanket is so precious to him. Also, Keicho is currently sobbing. WHOA.So what about the real estate agent who comes by to check the place for squatters? Are they in on it? This seems like the kind of thing Keicho would keep inside the family given that he’s probably murdered a bunch of people the way he almost killed Koichi. Wait…Keicho…IS the real estate agent!!!

I’m assuming Keicho is explaining this to Josuke because nobody has ever gotten this far into the house before, and I will further assume that nobody has ever gotten this far into the house before because nobody has managed to defeat Keicho (and it’s likely Okuyasu has a good or perfect winning streak as well.)

The fact that Keicho is crying while explaining his motives reveals something about his character. He could be telling this story in an angry way – angry at DIO, angry at Josuke, angry at himself, but he’s not. His crying suggests to me hopelessness. He’s been trying to kill his dad by making new stand users since childhood and isn’t any closer to full orphanhood! Yo maybe you should switch up tactics, dogg. After all, they say trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insani…ohhhhh.

JJBA Chapter 282
Chapter 17 of Diamond is Unbreakable
The Nijimura Brothers Part 9
Translation: Invincible Trio

Keicho begins his story. “I was eight and Okuyasu was only five. We were living in Tokyo, during the economic downturn, and our mother had died due to an illness two years earlier. The company my father worked for took out a lot of loans because they were facing bankruptcy.”

Given the ages, this flashback then takes place near the start of Japan’s economic downturn – a downturn that arguably hasn’t ended yet (lost decade…s) so the wording here (and it could just be the translation) implies Araki, writing this in 1992, was being optimistic and thinking the downturn would be over by 1999. Welp.

Classic transition from cinema here also, like we’re doing a pan/fade from Keicho, leaning against the grubby wall of the house (ew, given the squishy bits that so easily came off of Nijimura Sr. I bet the walls have a fine patina of whatever snotlike substance dad is made of.) to the city. I’m expecting a musical sting with a bassline.

“We were often beaten without provocation.”

Oh damn, you realize this is a hand from the POV of a kid, right?
“My father could be called a worthless loser. Then one day we started getting mail containing a lot of cash, sometimes even precious gems. Our family’s economic situation turned around instantly.”


Go onnnnnnn…..

“Not ’til later did I find out…my father sold his heart to DIO. He sold his own soul for money.” Wait, literally or figuratively? Given what we’ve seen so far it could go either way.

“At that time, DIO was searching the world for stand users. And my father seemed to have the potential. To this day I still don’t know what kind of stand he was searching for.” Either I missed this aspect of DIO’s motive in Part 3 or we’re getting deeper into the main conflict of Part 4???


I choose to believe that this is not a visual metaphor and instead that DIO actually had a large globe with toy models of famous buildings on it and sometimes he liked to stare at it while smirking in the dark.

“I still remember that day clearly…even though it was ten years ago. It was around 2PM. I had just gotten home from school.”

Even as a kid, Keicho was skilled in the art of having a mysterious blacked out face despite the lighting not making that possible. Actually the lack of faces in a flashback serves the purpose of making things seem more distant and eerie/dream-like.

“I saw Okuyasu crying. I thought that…father had been beating Okuyasu again. But it wasn’t like that at all.”

One: OMG Okuyasu
Two: Look at how the panel in the lower left is basically inset in the upside-down L-shaped panel in the upper right. It’s like we’re seeing all these views simultaneously. They’re shots with depth showing a lot of empty space. They have the effect of creating a sense of quiet and stillness. Since we know this is Keicho’s tragic backstory, it’s quite suspenseful since we know this is the buildup to something bad!

“I saw that my father had collapsed on the kitchen floor. He was covered in boils and it looked like he had been badly burned.”

Oh yeah? Let me seeeeyaaaaaghhh jesus!

“I told him to call an ambulance. He said it wasn’t any use and that DIO must be dead because the implant was growing like crazy.”

One: That wee outstretched arm! OMG Keicho
Two: Eugh.


Go onnnnnnnnnnn….

Keicho explains: “When DIO doesn’t trust someone he implants his cells into their brains. My father was one of those people. It took me 10 years to find out about DIO, stands, Jotaro, the old lady with the bow and arrow, and then I finally got my hands on it.”

Oh so this has been a recent thing. Well I feel a bit better about that. Maybe Keicho actually was a mild mannered real estate agent for most of the last ten years!

Wait.

One: If he found out all that why not ask the Speedwagon dealio people for help? Well I suppose it’s reasonable that he wanted to keep it all in the family or whatever but maybe they could have helped.
Two: Wait does that mean everyone who “retired” in Stardust Crusaders is now like this? You’d think Jotaro would have found out by now. Is this gonna be the main/a main plot point in part 4?

Waffleman_

I think the only people who had implants in Part 3 were Kakyoin and Polnareff. Everyone else was either a huge dick, in it for the money, or drawn in by DIO’s charisma.

MonsterEnvy

Only the ones he did not trust. He probably felt someone like Hol Horse was trustworthy enough to do it purely for cash. Hol Horse even remarked that he never sold DIO his soul, so he never got implanted with the flesh bud. Most of the stand users seemed loyal to DIO or were purely mercenary.

Oingo and Bonigo are confirmed in supplementary materials to still be going fine as well. So I would presume a fair amount of the stand users are still alive.

Hobgoblin2099

Enya had one, but I think it’s implied that Steely Dan planted the bud in her head like he did with Joseph.

And yeah, I doubt Hol Horse had once considering that he was going to shoot Dio in the head before Dio spooked him with The World.

ascalapha odorata

Yeah, I had the same thought about flesh buds recently too because I’d totally forgotten that Steely Dan puts the bud in Enya at the scene. I’d had it in mind that he just activated it. I think it’s safe to go with the idea that Polnareff and Kakyoin are most likely the only ones otherwise. because they’re the only people he needed to nudge to his side a bit more. I guess if you follow that line of reasoning you can feel a little more comfortable with the idea that maybe dad had something good in him, too (though I’ll be mean and disagree since I think it was just a convenient plot point to use to connect the dots, not one meant to insinuate much about dad’s character).

Hobgoblin2099

Maybe Dio put a bud in his head because he knew he was an abusive parent and sympathized with the future main characters?

I intended for that to be a joke, but now I halfway believe it.

Silver2195

I can kind of buy that, actually. He might have reminded Dio of his own father.

Interesting that Koichi is totally grossed out but Josuke is in intense mode. I wonder what he’s making of all this.

Dad fell down. Looks like he’s putting together a jigsaw puzzle or something. I ended up guessing he was putting together a photo of the brothers before I actually found out that was (nearly) the case. (I didn’t guess it would be the whole family.)

“He’s been doing the same thing everyday for ten years. He takes everything out of the box and then cries for a few days. Every time I see him, I am angered by his mere existence.”

Daxing Dan

There’s also a bit of a mistranslation in the second half of this line. It’s supposed to be “Confiscate the box from him and he’ll cry for days on end.”
I feel there’s also some meaning lost on the lines from the next two pages which start with “I tell you what to do, you have to listen!” It’s supposed to be something like, “Give him some ‘discipline’ and he’ll do as he’s told,\ but nothing can convince him to stop digging through the box!”
And for an additional fun translation fact, Keicho’s Navy SEAL in one of the chapters before was originally a Green Beret. Who knows why that was ever changed.

 

“Stop messing with the box!” Keicho adds.

Back in college I had some friends I visited often to chill and do and they lived next to a man and his elderly mother and not infrequently we would hear this scene playing out. This shit’s fucked up man, it ain’t even funny. I don’t even have a joke.

There’s nothing you can do, Josuke, just call the cops. Don’t even worry about “what if it was nothing and the cops come down here for no reason?” Just call the cops, Josuke.

Even Koichi has gone from total disgust to at least feeling kinda bad for Dad.

OK I swear to god when I started cracking libertarian jokes I was just going on Okuyasu’s stand being called “The Hand” and the $ on his clothes. I had no idea this was going to happen. But now that it has, I’m going to take this thing to its natural conclusion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Only after I kill him can I begin my own life!”

It’s like how my mom always says she can’t travel to Europe until her mom passes. Just go, mom, she’ll live a week without you, really!

Do you see it guys, do you see it?

“You misunderstood me. I want this box!”

Josuke repairs the stuff in the box. What was inside?

You may be a shit sometimes, but Dad still loves you, Keicho! This was telegraphed the moment you saw Dad messing with little bits of things but it’s SO effective because it’s so powerfully tragic.

“All along he’s been looking for a picture of his sons.”

“I think he’s been trying to remember the past. We just didn’t know ’til now.”


Josuke is now all business.
“Instead of trying to kill him, why not find a stand user to heal?”

It seems this has not previously been considered.

We jump to outside the room. Ohh, so there’s where Okuyasu has been.

You can’t really see the face of anyone in the room and the perspective makes them seem very far away. You could almost imagine Josuke and Keicho’s voices discussing things indistinctly.

And emotionally speaking they are far away, as Okuyasu seems to be retreating into his own head. The struggle and anguish that Keicho has gone through for the past decade — Okuyasu has gone through it too. But it doesn’t surprise me, given that Keicho seems to lash out at any sign of weakness from Okuyasu (perhaps projecting his own faults onto his brother), that instead of going to his brother Keicho to either comfort him or be comforted,


Okuyasu bears his sorrow alone.

Postscript

ascalapha odorata

Crying Okuyasu and Baby Okuyasu are so hard to see.

It’s also interesting to just look at the panels with dad’s hand, since it goes from intimidating to something more passive. Dad’s not a direct threat anymore.

I think the biggest thing I picked up on with the dad chained up in the room with the trunk is that clearly this was more than just a place they intended to squat in for a bit; this was supposed to be home base. A virtually empty, abandoned, screwed-up house. That’s the sort of household these guys have (and, even with only a slight age difference, given MATURITY difference, the household Keicho established for himself and for his little brother). Keicho’s single-minded focus on finding a way to deal with his dad means that very little matters to him otherwise. Honestly I’m shocked they’re even wearing school uniforms because that would imply that at some point Keicho was actually attending class as a teenager instead of spending each and every day shooting random people with the bow and arrow. But then again, Jotaro basically just added some details/accents and changed the color on his uniform and there you go so maybe it’s just a fashion statement.

It’s sort of interesting to me to see how quickly Okuyasu places some level of trust in Josuke given the background you now know about him, but I think that fills in some other blanks with Keicho, really. I think you can safely say that while Okuyasu’s father was physically abusive, Keicho was at the very least emotionally abusive and certainly not a suitable parental figure — Okuyasu acts like they’re supposed to be a brother-brother team but it’s clearly not set up that way. Okuyasu is clearly pretty desperate for an actual brother figure or relationship, so all of this lays the groundwork for the sort of relationship he has with Josuke from this point onward.

I mean it’s generally a group of three in future chapters, even if the three of them aren’t always hanging out together (Okuyasu is certainly friends with Koichi, in ways that’ll be mapped out later) but the bigger relationship is Okuyasu/Josuke because really, from the moment Josuke healed him in spite of having no reason to, Josuke had a friend for life.

I have a lot of thoughts about him otherwise that actually are hard to articulate because the stuff that happened in his life really sucks and is hard to analyze in a character without making it personal. Basically, I identify with Okuyasu in lots of ways. Also, damn, so many JoJo parents have problems.

Nessus

Here’s a heartbreaking thought: Okuyasu probably has the technical capacity to annihilate their pops, or at least send him to the void.

But he probably can’t bring himself to do it.

And I expect Keicho isn’t that happy about that.

Poor dude.

Kaiser Mazoku

Okuyasu said that he doesn’t know where The Hand sends things. For all he knows, even if he did try to erase his dad, he could still live on in another dimension.

Agent Kool-Aid

I feel like the whole nijimura brothers section is a pretty immediate introduction to the fact that things won’t be as by-the-numbers as they might have been in previous arcs. not that the overall story won’t follow a general recognizable pattern, but relations between people and their own thoughts on situations are explored way more in arc 4 than in what came before. what started out as a couple of asshole dudes who almost got josuke’s friend killed have been reduced to weeping about how they can’t find a way to put their dad out of his misery. hell, it’s even the capstone of the fight, as it were. this isn’t some revelation the villain lays out before saying ‘but i still have to kill you’, leading to a final clash. the situation is defused. okuyasu is outside the door, barely able to hold himself together. keicho is fucking telling a story about why he did what he did while bleeding out on the floor. if josuke cared to he could punch both of them out, take the bow, and be done with it. but he won’t. both because they’ve revealed themselves to be ‘good’ people to an extent, and because he’s josuke. keicho was even responsible for angelo. i feel like josuke should be aware of this, but he probably realizes that keicho probably wasn’t expecting angelo to be…well…angelo as far as the higashikata family is concerned.

Coming up next: the end of The Nijimura Brothers

Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable: Chapter 7

Let's Read

OK I reeeeeeally wanted to read to the end of this since I read kinda quickly my first time around, but just for alla you guys I’m being hella disciplined and not reading any farther than I’ve gotten in the Let’s Read. Sooo, much sooner than anticipated, behold!

Chapter 7

Josuke Meets Angelo Part 4

Translation: Invincible Trio

Not much commentary here because I’m really hoping to wrap up this arc ASAP (namely because I want to finish READING this arc ASAP.) Don’t worry, I will have plenty to say at the end of Chapter 8!

Angelo is crouched in a tree spying on the Higashikata residence. It’s raining — the additional moisture everywhere means his stand can manifest through water vapor making Angelo more powerful than ever.

Meanwhile in the house, Josuke and Jotaro appear to be in deep shit!

Jotaro, clearly somewhat agitated, asks Josuke what he plans to do next.

It’s kinda fun to see Jotaro being like “uh, shit.”

“How would you escape and gain the upper hand?” Jotaro asks. I like how he’s couching this as if it were a teaching exercise and not like he has no fucking idea what to do and is relying on the kid over a decade younger than himself to bail them out of this jam.

“I know my way migh be a little unorthodox, but…” Josuke starts.

“…It involves tearing shit down!”

Jotaro and Josuke jump through the hole Josuke’s stand made in the wall and Josuke patches the hole behind them like they’re some sort of dimension-hopping-sci-fi-protags.

Except whoops, looks like there’s a humidifier in the room and Josuke gets a facefull of steam and a mouthful of Aqua Necklace.

So now what? Josuke starts retching. Jotaro stands around awkwardly wondering if he should do something. (:laffo:)

“Angelo might think he’s got the upper hand…he’s wrong Mr. Jotaro!” Josuke manages to cough out. “That bastard Angelo couldn’t predict this!” And with that, Josuke regurgitates a latex glove!

Dang, that’s the most heroic regurgitation I think I’ve ever seen.

Even now caring for the feelings of others. And it makes sense that he wouldn’t let Jotaro in on his plan since Angelo could have overheard at any time. And hey…technically this solution wasn’t totally random! Earlier in the chapter…


Well played, Mr. Araki, well played!

Bad Seafood

It’s also thematically foreshadowed since Jotaro outright asks him “What happens if Aqua Necklace gets inside of you?” I’ve actually never noticed those gloves hanging on the wall there before, but never felt like Josuke’s victory was cheap since it’s alluded to earlier in the form of a question.

ascalapha odorata

I had not noticed the glove foreshadowing before, either. Whoops. Chekov’s glove

Senor Candle

I had not noticed the gloves until last night where I read the colored version of the chapter. They really stand out in that.

Josuke shakes Aqua Necklace with his stand, and this causes Angelo to get physically shaken as well. I’m not 100% sure how this works, as this doesn’t seem totally consistent with how stands have been shown to work up until now, but I’m not complaining!

Bad Seafood

It’s not entirely consistent, no, but it’s at least somewhat in keeping with earlier depictions. When Josuke has Aqua Necklace trapped in a bottle and shakes it, we cut outside to Angelo looking visibly agitated as though he’d just been run through the ringer. It’s implied some time has passed between Josuke catching Angelo’s stand and Ryohei and Jotaro showing up, so while we don’t see Angelo flopping about there’s a clear connection between his emotional and physical state and the fact that his stand just got jerked around.

This lets Jotaro and Josuke spot Angelo and they run out to corner him posthaste. Josuke is in no mood to gloat, even though he has Angelo by the balls…er, well, by the stand anyway.

Angelo tries to run, but Josuke makes him trip by shaking up Aqua Necklace. (If Aqua Necklace can turn into a gas, why not do that and escape through one of the pores of the latex glove? Eh, whatever, maybe he can’t actually get that small.) It’s clear that Angelo won’t be able to flee this time. When you’ve got a pair of Jojos staring you down like this, you know you’re fucked.

Angelo tells Josuke that there’s no way Josuke could kill him since that would make Josuke a murderer too. Sheesh Angelo, ain’t you never taken a Philosophy 101 class? There are tons of ways to justify a hero killing you. Man, what a scrub. Josuke has also had it with this pseudo-moralizing bullshit and breaks Angelo’s fuckin’ index finger holy shit!

Whoa and it looks like he knocked Angelo’s hand into a rock too!

Holy shit this is so fucking baller!!

“No one is going to kill you…” Josuke intones. “Not I, not Jotaro, not the government…Hell, you won’t even go to jail.”

Ohhhhh. Shiiiiiiiiiiiit!


“Josuke…He’s all yours, go crazy!” Jotaro says with his eyes blocked out, probably because he’s not sure what exactly he’s just condoned but is half excited and half terrified to find out.


“Wh…what?! What are you gonna do, you bastards?!” Angelo cries in terror.


“Welcome to purgatory, Angelo!”


Bad Seafood

The kindest Jojo since Jonathan.

Unless you threaten his family. Then you’re in for a fate worse than death.

Hobgoblin2099

Josuke turning him into a rock is still the most messed up thing ever and simultaneously the best thing ever.

It’s so terrible, but Angelo deserves so much worse.

ascalapha odorata

Gotta one-up just tying the bad guy to a rock, I guess.

Agent Kool-Aid

a big thing with how the villains in arc 4 are more ‘humanized’ in a way is that araki more or less has a running start after arc 3. there’s a noticeable shift from the first half to the second half of stardust crusaders where more focus is put on the actual stand user than the stand itself. does the stand have a lot of ‘airtime’ compared to the user? possibly. it doesn’t mean that the user can’t be a perpetual influence on the encounter as a whole. stardust crusaders has a slew of tarot stands that are beaten without even really getting to know the user at all. sometimes most of the battle is actually finding the user, at which point a decisive punch will end the battle. but there’s this, like i said, noticeable jump from ‘lmao who’s this clown’ to characters that have more of an actual motive of a sort or are allowed to show off their personality. near the end, you have encounters like vanilla ice which in themselves are almost entirely centered around the user. vanilla ice’s fanaticism was a defining character trait. hell, even petshop was the star of the show in its fight. the very concept of petshop being a bird of prey basically defined that entire fight of beast against beast, not the fact that petshop could hurl spikes of ice.

once it gets to arc 4, araki immediately starts employing this with basically -everyone-, and it shows. aqua necklace isn’t the star of the fight. it’s angelo, even if he’s sitting in a tree most of the time or not even in view. his very presence defines the encounter. this shift is part of why arc 4 is one of my favorites, and it’s a nice example of araki ‘evolving’ during the creation of this particular chunk of the story. it won’t be the last time it happens, either.

Alpha3KV

On this note, I kind of wonder if the earlier Part 3 enemies not being much like real people is something of a holdover from the first two parts’ emphasis on the supernatural. The villains were vampires and later the Pillar Men, and even their mooks were zombies. The bad guys weren’t human, and thus didn’t have human needs. It may also explain the spotlight focusing on the stands themselves rather than the people behind them.

Coming rather soon, this arc’s exciting conclusion!

Let’s Read JJBA4: Chapter 6/Let’s Discuss JJBA: Worldbuilding vs. Symbolic Storytelling

Let's Read

The following entry is adapted from a discussion originally posted on the Something Awful forums.

It’s important to me that this Let’s Read includes relevant discussion from the thread in which it is being posted. This Let’s Read is a product of the community that inspired it, so I wish to allow everyone to have a voice. Even so, you might wonder why so much discussion of Stardust Crusaders has been reproduced below. I encourage you to read it all, as the discussion of Stardust Crusaders ends up dovetailing nicely with the Diamond is Unbreakable Let’s Read.

Cerebral Bore

Hey Xibanya, I just want you to know that you’re Cool and Good, and so’s your analysis.

Senor Candle
Cerebral Bore

Hey Xibanya, I just want you to know that you’re Cool and Good, and so’s your analysis.

Serperoth
Cerebral Bore

Hey Xibanya, I just want you to know that you’re Cool and Good, and so’s your analysis.

Thirding this. Hope I get to read the Effort series before September, it’s super interesting.

Naerasa
Cerebral Bore

Hey Xibanya, I just want you to know that you’re Cool and Good, and so’s your analysis.

this

Thanks everyone! I’m glad you’re having as much fun as I am!

Naerasa

My husband liked phantom blood and thought battle tendency was great but the monster of the week shit in stardust crusaders drove him up the wall. I’m probably going to tell him not to bother watching diamond is unbreakable with me if it comes out because he hates stands and, well, that’s gonna be a problem.

hoobajoo

Well he missed all the good stands and actually seeing what they can do, so yeah. Show him Death XIII and D’Arby the Gambler, those are two of the highlight fights that show more of what Stands can do.

Naerasa

No he went right until the end. He agreed the second half was better but still deemed the whole thing ‘bad anime, fucking retarded’. Then again he said that about all of jojo but loved most of it, so it’s tough to tell when his insults are actually being levied as legitimate criticism.

hoobajoo

Does he like or dislike anime in general?

Naerasa

He watches it but he much prefers stuff with strong continuity as opposed to episodic shows. Like right now we’re watching Moribito and he seems pretty into it but I’m screaming in my head ‘FUCKING STAB SOMEBODY WITH YOUR SPEAR ALREADY’

hoobajoo

By that logic, Naruto is better than Cowboy Bebop.

SC has one of the best sense of progression for what is a monster of the week style affair, since the Crusaders are constantly advancing to their goal. Sure there’s an arbitrary number of fights and it can take as long as Araki wants, but the constant updates to the groups progress really ties the episodes nicely together into a larger narrative. Surprised he hates it as much as he does for ultimately something that doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of the show itself.

Bad Seafood

The biggest hurdle a lot of people face trying to get into Jojo is the fact that Part 3 abandons Part 1 and 2’s traditional story structure in favor of something more, well, “Video gamey.” For all its flaws (like only Jonathan/Joseph being allowed to do anything), early Jojo presents itself as a tight, fight-paced narrative. Things happen, the status quo changes, and the individual challenges our heroes face are woven more seamlessly into the plot itself. All in all it wastes very little time.

Then you hit Part 3. Our heroes are presented with a goal and the rest of the story is spent simply achieving that goal. The steps of the journey become more compartmentalized as bad guy after bad guy pops up to get defeated. Individual fights take longer to resolve, and are mostly fought against guys who exist to be evil and don’t carry much in the way of emotional weight. Phantom Blood translated very neatly into nine episodes while Stardust Crusaders takes four to really get going. Throw in the fact that the anime’s art direction makes Jotaro even more of an unreadable stoic in the wake of Jonathan’s passion and Joseph’s wackiness and, well…

I adore Part 3, but I’ll admit it can be a difficult pill to swallow if you’re not prepared to accept certain things as they are.

It’s funny you should mention that because my first exposure to Part 3 was via the video game. I had seen all the memes and such but I really got interested in it after meeting Ziggy Starfucker. He is a Jojo himself (from first and middle name, not first and last, although maybe when we get married instead me taking his name we should both change our last names to Joestar. That would rule!) and was a longtime fan of the arcade game, so we’ve played it a lot. I learned the story basically from the arcade game, so when we found out about the new anime, we decided to give it a shot together. I’m not normally into baddie-of-the-week type stories, but I was hooked because I was so excited to see the characters I had gotten to like from the game actually have more meaty stories and interactions. And to be like “ooohhhh it’s THAT GUY! Oh shit!” or have a laugh when certain fights were nothing like their video game counterparts. So maybe some folks should be exposed Capcom-first to Stardust Crusaders.

VolticSurge

I know how you feel. My mother hated SC even though she liked the other 2 parts. Her reasons are mostly “Stands are just retarded excuses to sell toys”, “The characters are boring”, and after watching the new Mad Max “Hasn’t this hack Araki heard of ‘show,don’t tell?'”
Here I thought she was cooler than Dad-he thought I was coming out when he saw me watching Jojo. Asshole. I’ve even tried to refute her bullshit,but she just calls me a “Brain-damaged fanboy”. I guess I get the good taste from Grandma.

Bad Seafood

I never realized how much I wanted to read about family members arguing with each other over Jojo until these last few posts.

I recently got in a disagreement with a friend on whether Sugita or Ishizuka was a better Joseph. After a circular discussion I pretended to agree so things wouldn’t escalate, but in fact anyone who doesn’t think Sugita was a better Joseph has terrible taste.

hoobajoo

Young Joseph and old Joseph are different enough that they are both the best at their role. But yeah, if I’m forced to pick just one, it’s Sugita.

Baal

Hochu Otsuka was the best Joseph, actually

Baal

How about you get out of my thread instead, nerd?

Don’t nerd me, buddy.

Baal

I’m not your buddy, guy.

I’m not your guy, friend.

Baal

I’m not your friend, buddy.

And now the “I’m not your buddy, pal!” edition of Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable!

Chapter Six

Josuke Meets Angelo Part 3

JJBA Chapter 271
Translation: Invincible Trio

Josuke narrates: “After the funeral…we kept his uniforms in the closet. And the back was packed with old but shiny shoes, shirts and pants all neatly stacked. My old man would always wear them, no matter how much we made fun of his looks. But, they will be thrown away someday…Even though mom doesn’t want to do it because they remind her of her father…there isn’t anybody left to put them on…”

Dang, that’s pretty…that’s pretty

Also look at how in that panel showing the open closet doors how there is “too much” white space. The negative space of the dark closet doesn’t quite balance out the positive space of the empty room. Like something is…missing…? rly makes u think dosnt it

We jump to Jotaro in the kitchen drinking some bottled water.

Jotaro tells Josuke not to ingest anything except bottled water and canned food. So they’re holed up in Josuke’s house? Then did Josuke not go to Ryohei’s funeral? Or was the first part of the chapter a sort of framing thing, like the funeral happened after this story arc?

Bad Seafood

I always read it as some time passing between Ryohei’s death and the current situation. With the revelation that Angelo was waiting for it to rain before striking, it’s implied than maybe a week or two has passed. That said, the timeline here is a little screwy if you think about it too much (and becomes even more so a little later on) so I’m inclined to lean on your suggestion that it’s a framing device.

Well anyway, Josuke seems a bit depressed but otherwise calm.

Oh. Or not! Heh, it appears in a touch out of a more humorous manga Josuke’s hair doesn’t cooperate when he’s upset. Jotaro shoots him a freaked out look but Josuke dodges eye contact and glumly fixes his hair.

“Don’t worry, I’m not gonna go berserk. I’m just a little ticked off. I’m cool…really!” His face looks calm, but he’s shaking.

Want to point out that this is an interesting character moment for Josuke. He’s upset but he’s trying to hide it. Seems like a pretty realistic touch for the child of a single mother. Josuke has learned earlier than most people that his emotions affect the emotions of the people around him. You also see this trait in kids who have had to step up and become a parental figure for their younger siblings for whatever reason (holler). IRL this trait has sent a lot of people to therapy as adults so I’ll be interested to see how it continues to manifest in Josuke.

ascalapha odorata

Yup, it’s kind of why I identify with Josuke a bit. Being a teenager who has to be very grown up and maybe even somehow responsible for their parents, or at least viewed almost as an equal by parents somehow, is a tricky balance.

Whoa, holy shit, are we sure that this manga takes place in Morioh, Japan and not Figueres, Spain? Looks like Josuke’s been destroying various objects around the house then repairing them — badly. (btw duuuutch angleeeeee) Seems that when Josuke is upset he has a hard time making things return to their original state. Hmmm…so perhaps his inner calm is borne partially out of necessity? So if he had been really rattled by his mom getting infiltrated by Aqua Necklace would he have not been able to put her insides back right? YIKES. Could see this as being a major weakness in future stories.

“Well it’s your furniture after all, and you’re free to choose what you want to take your anger out on…not that I care anyway…” Jotaro says partly for the benefit of the audience.

ascalapha odorata

It’s interesting to see Jotaro’s response to Josuke. We stumbled into a quick discussion about grief cuz of that offhand thing I said but while I don’t think you’d necessarily expect Jotaro to grieve here, seeing how he responds to Josuke’s grief is interesting. He clearly works to be as even-keeled as possible in everything and doesn’t seem to quite know what to make of a teenager who wants to appear that they can do so as well, but the fucked-up furniture shows he’s failing.

Now you can clearly see why the prior guy’s nose didn’t go back to normal. When Josuke’s mad, he can still fix things- but he might fuck up. Obviously, yes, that’s going to matter.

“By the way, what’s with the cut on your lower lip,” Jotaro asks, indicating where he busted Josuke’s lip when they first met. “Can’t you heal yourself with your stand?”

“No, I can’t heal myself with it.” says Josuke. Oohhhhhhh interesting~! Jotaro asks what will happen if Angelo manages to get inside Josuke’s body and tear him up from the inside.


Pictured above: a 15-year-old considering the very real possibility of his imminent demise.


“Then I don’t have any choice. If he gets inside me, it’s game over.” Daaaaaaaaang!

Meanwhile, some 500 feet away from Josuke’s house, Brat Pitt, err, Angelo is spying on the Jojos with binoculars. “Heheh…you still think you can shove me into a bottle? Josuke, now that I know about your ability…you won’t be able to catch me again!!”

Angelo states his intention to take over Josuke’s body no matter how long it takes and then to “have fun” with Tomoko. I’m sure there’s a doujin about that somewhere.

— THREE DAYS LATER —

Jotaro is scouting around outside and notices Angelo’s footprints. HEY, where’s Tomoko anyway? We haven’t even seen how she reacted to news of her dad’s death.

It starts to rain. Oooohhh shit!

Aqua Necklace starts entering Jotaro’s body but Star Platinum punches it away.

Aqua Necklace then sneaks into the house through the window. The place where Aqua Necklace touched Jotaro’s face suddenly bursts and Jotaro begins bleeding. Huh, does Aqua Necklace have some kind of acid attack?

We see Josuke in the kitchen – all the taps are now running and all the water in the house is now boiling. Not sure how Aqua Necklace did this but I guess his power somehow made this happen.

Bad Seafood

It’s never directly clarified, but I feel it’s a simple leap of logic to suppose that Aqua Necklace becomes more powerful in the presence of more liquid. Angelo couldn’t just use his stand to kill Tomoko earlier, he was trying to trick her into drinking it. I imagine that Angelo’s stand can only travel so far or do so much based on how much water he has access to, so with this weather he has free range.

Aqua Necklace begins to form out of a steam cloud behind Josuke.

Aqua Necklace begins entering the various orifices in Josuke’s head, but Josuke uses his stand to smash a bottle and reform it – but it looks like he can’t capture Aqua Necklace when he’s in a gaseous form.

Water begins leaking from the ceiling. “Leaks…Angelo made holes on the roof!” Josuke says. When did Angelo have time to do that? Jotaro, you fucked up watch duty! Looks like the entire house is a danger zone now, with water dripping in upstairs and steam swirling around downstairs. Aqua Necklace can attack from any angle.

Josuke begins to laugh. “What’s so funny?” Jotaro asks. “Let me remind you that we’re trapped like rats!”

“I know that, Mr. Jotaro,” Josuke says with a smirk that seems somewhat uncharacteristic. “But think of it this way. That murderer’s so close by…I’ll be able to avenge Grandpa real soon! This is great!”

Ooooooooohhhh very nice Araki, you have my full attention now!

Normie Slayer

This is the point where Josuke becomes a true Pompadourrior

It seems that when Josuke gets pushed too far, something flips in him and he gets something of a cruel streak. I’m really interested to see how this goes because in most shonen stories where this happens, it’s because the character is literally being influenced by some external force, like The Other Yugi in Yu-Gi-Oh! or Demon Eyes Kyo in Samurai Deeper Kyo. It appears that in this case though, unless I’m wrong (if I am please only say so in spoiler tags) that this is a genuine component to Josuke’s identity. Kid of single mother, forced to shoulder some responsibility for caregiving adult’s emotional state, feels obligated to moderate outward-facing emotions for the sake of loved ones? Repressed rage ahoy!

I’d like to point out here that Josuke and Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho have a rather similar background – both are children of young single mothers and are known for being tough guys and troublemakers, but their personalities couldn’t be more different. (It also bears mentioning that Yusuke is a working-class boy while Josuke is middle-class.) It’s kind of interesting that both of these characters appeared together at the same time in Weekly Shonen Jump. Coincidence or was it previously taboo to have a character of this background in a shonen manga? I’ll have to ask my Japanese pals and get back to everyone.

ascalapha odorata

This chapter is great and is proof positive that slowing down to read makes a difference, because I picked up on way more this time through.

This chapter has two of those moments where the panels by themselves seem ridiculous. Serious moment looks absolutely not serious at all when isolated. There’s one coming up in a later chapter that’s REALLY out there when viewed alone.

That and the “rain?!” one are basically outofcontextjojo tumblr fodder.

MonsterEnvy

I don’t know why you keep calling Josuke 15 when his stated age is 16.

Gemini = born end of May/early June.
These chapters take place in March.

Would you prefer I say 15-and-a-half-year-old?

Bad Seafood

So Angelo! Let’s talk about Angelo…by going into the paaaaaaaast and talking about somebody else. We’ll get back to Angelo though, I promise.

So this dude here is N’Dour. Or N’Doul, I guess. N’Doul is probably more accurate, I’m just stuck in my ways (I still call Esidisi “ACDC”).

N’Dour has a lot in common with Angelo. Both of them are criminals who murder and steal to get what they want. Both of them have water stands. They’re pretty dangerous guys. N’Dour tends to be a lot more popular than Angelo though, which makes sense. Angelo’s a punk and a pedophile, whereas N’Dour has this mysterious dignity about him. He’s a bad guy, yeah, but he rocks the blind warrior thing while possessing a philosophical disposition. Personally I think he’s super cool.

He’s also fanatically devoted to Dio, which is why he’s camped out here waiting for the Joestars to arrive. Camped out in the middle of the desert. Must’ve taken awhile though, waiting for them to arrive. What’re you up to N’Dour? What’s cracking? What does a guy like you get up to when Lord Dio’s enemies aren’t around?

…Not much I take it. Well I guess that makes sense. Guy’s blind and on guard duty, so he really doesn’t need a distraction from his all-important job. The desert isn’t exactly a pleasant place to be though. How long has he been out here? Where are his supplies? Presumably he’d need to be eating or drinking something to last this long in the hot Egyptian sun.

Nothing. I guess you could convince me he set up camp or something off-panel but the guy’s already hidden away and, most importantly, blind. I think he’d keep the goods close by for easy access.

This is one of the things I’m talking about when I say that Part 3 feels very “Video gamey.” You’ve got a lot of bad guys who are just “Around” without much thought for how they got there or who they are when they’re not hunting down the Joestars. Personally I don’t mind it – in a way it enhances the theatrical nature of things – but for a lot of people it can feel really artificial. How’d he get out here, waiting in such proximity to where the Joestar boys emerged from their sunken submarine? Out of every Pakistani town, how’d Steely Dan pick the one he was sure our heroes would come to after taking care of Enya?

What was Vanilla Ice’s job before he became Dio’s biggest fan?

Like I said, I don’t mind that Araki doesn’t really expand on these things. Vanilla Ice is clearly designed to be menacing, and perhaps make the reader slightly uncomfortable, and he succeeds. I have no beef with this fighting game character design philosophy that prioritizes aesthetics over more sensible outfits. All the same, it’s a thing.

So let’s talk about Angelo. Angelo’s a murderer, rapist, thief, and pedophile. Josuke’s grandfather says he likes to kill for fun. He’s clearly a bad guy most normal people wouldn’t want anything to do with. Currently he’s staking out Josuke’s house, waiting for it to rain. I’ve never lived in Japan, but I imagine the weather there’s as fickle as it is anywhere else. Like N’Dour, Angelo must’ve been prepared to wait awhile.

What are you up to Angelo? Watching the house?

Oh, you’re eating. Don’t forget to wash it down with-

-something.

So this is something Araki…I won’t say “Starts” doing in Part 4, but starts employing far more effectively. In any previous part, and in many other comics in general, Angelo would just be “There” much like N’Dour was just there; watching, waiting to strike. Less of a character, more of an obstacle with a human face. Instead, Angelo is integrated into the world. He may be one-dimensionally evil, but he’s human. He needs to eat and drink. He’ll probably need to take a piss in a few hours.

Little details like this humanize Part 4’s characters, even though they’re the kind of thing we often take for granted. Angelo’s clearly eating some kind of fast food, which means he must’ve gotten down from that tree at some point and gone over to a restaurant and ordered a burger and coke. He could just be watching Josuke’s house through binoculars, but instead Araki decided to make him more visually interesting by giving him something to do with his hands and his mouth. It’s amusingly inane.

This is the most minor spoiler ever, but in the next chapter when our heroes go outside Angelo is shown wearing what looks like an army surplus poncho.

Fun note – on my last trip to Japan I saw a US army surplus store near some little town in the mountains. So it very well could be a literal US army surplus poncho.

Bad Seafood

Dude’s effected by the elements! He probably had to get down from that tree to put it on. Or maybe he just finagled with it while up in the branches. That’s kinda funny to think about.

I wouldn’t consider Angelo to be a great character, but he has a real presence in the world these little touches build up. He’s totally twisted and rotten to the core, but he has needs like anybody else. And opinions! Remember when he killed that guy and his dog? His reaction was pretty over the top, but it added a fun little quirk to an otherwise one-note villain. Angelo may be a vicious criminal who does as he pleases, but people who LITTER? Leaving their dog poop and cigarette butts wherever? Those guys are the real scum of society. Them and anyone he considers to be well off, just taking things for granted. Sounds like ol’ Angelo has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

The other thing I “Like” about Angelo – and I’ll keep this part brief because it’s pretty self-evident – is how effectively his stand demonstrates how little overall power means in the Arakiverse. Jotaro’s no slouch. He won the stand lottery with Star Platinum. Power, speed, precision. He can even stop time, though he hasn’t in awhile. A decade or so ago he killed a 100-year-old vampire in a duel to the death. Even so, Angelo, the starter bad guy of Part 4, poses a threat to him. Once it starts raining, it takes all of Jotaro’s ability to avoid just getting chumped immediately. He can knock Aqua Necklace away, sure, but he can’t damage it in any meaningful fashion. As Part 4 goes on we’ll be seeing a lot of stands which, conceptually, shouldn’t really be a big deal, but their users manage to make the most of them.

It’s not what you’ve got but how you use it.

Lumberjack Bonanza

You bring up some really good points about Angelo, Bad Seafood. The way Araki brings his characters down to earth is probably what makes me love Part 4 so much.

The point about Angelo’s Stand being a real threat to Jotaro is probably the most important thing. During Stardust Crusaders, Araki played around with the idea of Stands a lot, but they really lacked any sense of identity. A lot of the concepts felt very rushed and low-effort, interesting aesthetically but not in execution. Hell, one was just the sun and was called The Sun. They also often seemed like loose, shallow homages to horror movies, which makes for cool trivia but not always good fights.

So when you hear a JoJo fan talking about how awesome Stands are, they’re probably talking about Part 4 and on. Araki starts putting a ton of thought into what each Stand can do, and how they can interact with the world around them. Just like Angelo eating a burger and sipping a cola, working around the limitations of his Stand and manipulating the environment to his benefit makes it feel like he’s more real. Thinking back, I can actually name you a ton of Stand users in Diamond is Unbreakable, but if I was trying to identify the Stand users in Stardust Crusaders, I’d have to name their Stand or describe their power most of the time.

Bad Seafood, you have hit on something interesting, something I hope to cover in a future Dragonball vs. Stardust Crusaders post. Stardust Crusaders uses a literary/cinematic concept that is described by some as “the hyperreal.” I think I’ll save the meat and potatoes of my analysis for when I actually get around to doing that post, but in a nutshell, the fact that N’Doul () doesn’t really exist as a person except when the audience is looking at him may not be a case of the author being lazy and more a case of the author using visual motifs and symbols in order to evoke an emotional reaction in the audience — this of course relies on the audience to have a shared culture to some extent. In a way it’s like visual poetry, while a comic with a more realistically constructed world would be visual prose. When we see this lonely blind man in the desert, we are meant to feel the concepts attached to those symbols in order to understand the fight to come. Blind warrior — honor, senses keener than those of an ordinary person, being able to “see the unseen.” Desert — desolation, harshness, lack of life, man vs. elements, primal state of man, etc. Araki uses the hyperreal throughout Stardust Crusaders. As I’ve said before, it’s always funny to see people complaining that Jotaro is an emotionless robot when Part 3 is actually bursting at the seams with emotional content.

MonsieurChoc

It’s N’Dour ebcause it’s a reference to Youssou N’Dour.

If you don’t know a Jojo name, search for the musical reference.

Thanks for the reminder to do my research!

Bad Seafood

This is vaguely what I was referring to when I mentioned the “Theatrical” nature of things, though I guess using less academic language. It doesn’t bother me that certain circumstances or characters seem contrived when they’re contrived in the service of something specific. I’m glad whatever supplies N’Dour brought with him are never expanded upon. A little campsite off in the corner would just clutter the scene. He’s alive, so he obviously survived somehow. He found the Joestars because, of course, the villain’s henchmen must each challenge the heroes in their own way. That’s how it works. When N’Dour kills himself by piercing his brain with his own stand, of course he still has the time (and composure) to relate his life’s story to the man who beat him. Reality takes a backseat to the mechanics of the story. It’s how two characters piloting two different robots on opposite sides of the battlefield can shout and hear one another across great distances.

I think the best way to grasp the concept is to look at Old Testament bible stories or any other story that has been passed down via oral tradition. The how’s and why’s aren’t skipped over because ancient greeks never had to take a shit or whatever, it’s just that those types of stories are more easily preserved via oral tradition because their emotional hooks are really memorable. In fact this ties in with what everybody has been saying before about Part 3 being like a horror film. The hyperreal is used extensively in horror films in part because these films are most powerful when dealing in archetypes and symbols. Or to plug my own shit, when writing the dialog for my entry for SAGDCX, Slam Fighter II, I knew the judges wouldn’t give five fucks about any worldbuilding I might manage to do, so I deliberately attempted to evoke symbols that would evoke the same response in players that similar “hyperreal” symbols had done so in the past. The biggest downside to this type of storytelling (as opposed to building a world within the confines of the story itself) is that it relies HEAVILY on the audience understanding the symbols that are being used. If the audience doesn’t, the story seems nonsensical or boring. Ever had to read anything by Sophocles in high school? Remember all your classmates being like “JESUS GOD, THIS BORING SHIT!!” Well Sophocles wasn’t writing for Mrs. Jones’ fourth period English class.

So this, but unironically.

TheKingofSprings

Really the dude probably just drank his own stand

Hobgoblin2099

If you drink your Stand, are you drinking yourself?

Incidentally, I can’t remember much about Aqua Necklace, but that’s another difference between it and Geb: damage doesn’t seem to translate to the User. Enya passed out when her Stand got inhaled, but Angelo’s has been ingested without any issue for him.

Next Up: Chapter 7!

Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable: Chapter 4 — Josuke Meets Angelo Part 1

Let's Read
Welcome back to Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable! I am your host, Xibanya, and today we will be reading Chapter 4: Josuke Meets Angelo, with translation by the Invincible Trio!

So far we have met…

Josuke

Our protagonist! Josuke is Joseph Joestar’s secret love child! He has a stand with a heart-shaped head, a pompadour, and wild mood swings. It appears that his stand is more than just your run-of-the-mill punchghost; it also grants Josuke some sort of healing/matter manipulation ability.

Koichi

Koichi is a teenager with serious boundary issues. Recommend counseling. Appears to be the bland audience stand-in for characters to explain shit about stands to. For years I never saw the OVA or read the manga, I just played the Capcom arcade game on MAME emulator, and I didn’t need to have stands explained to me in much greater detail than “they are punchghosts; they represent the user’s fighting spirit; if it gets hurt the user gets hurt and vice versa. Also, shoshite toki wa ugoki dasu!” So I’m a little disappointed to see that he…exists.

Jotaro

Hey guys, you think I’m cool and trust anything I say, right? Well that Josuke guy is with me! Also, apparently I like dolphins.

Tomoko

Josuke’s mom. Did sex with Joseph at least once. Appears to be willing to commit aggravated assault and battery on a whim; is allowed to escape justice due to her dad being the chief of police.

Tomoko’s dad

A bicycle-riding cop who is OK with allowing the citizens of Morioh to be brutally assaulted so long as the assailant is his daughter. Man, fuck the police.

Serial Killer/Rapist/Pedarast/Stand User

This guy has a Hierophant Green-like stand that can control other people’s bodies and be used remotely. Josuke encountered him when his stand possessed a man in order to rob a convenience store. Not really sure why he was robbing a store — couldn’t he have just possessed someone and made them drop cash or valuables somewhere? At the moment is at-large somewhere in town.

Roving Pack of Assholes

Experience has taught me that these guys will never learn their lesson and will probably end up in middle management.

This fucking guy

Hey man, the guys didn’t want to tell you…but you’re kinda creeping us out.

Chapter 4
Josuke Meets Angelo Part 1
Translation: The Invincible Trio

We see a two story suburban house as someone (presumably the nasty stand user from the last chapter) remarks “What a surprise…there are other people in this town who have the same kind of powers I do…”

In the garage of the house, Tomoko, Josuke’s mom, is looking for her garden trowel. The milkman comes by and leaves two bottles of milk on the front step of the house just as Tomoko finds her trowel. She warns him to watch his step — too late though, as the guy steps in some dog shit.

She steps out of the garage to banter with the milkman (an employee of Lack Y Land Milk, LLC) about whatever jerk keeps neglecting to pick up after their dog and notices that the milkman is a different guy from usual.

The guy turns around slowly and flashes a sneer! Oh no! Must be the stand user/someone possessed by the stand user! The milkman then smiles pleasantly and explains he’s just a substitute. Tomoko asks him to replace one of the bottles that he delivered as the seal is torn.

He does so then takes off in his milk-delivery bike. As he turns away from Tomoko, we see that he is a BAD GUY.

Also is drooling.

“Damn that bitch!” he shouts while continuing to drool. The stand we saw escape into the drain in the last chapter bursts out of the bottle that Tomoko made him take back. “What a clever woman!” the baddie explains to us. “My stand [AQUA NECKLACE] could have taken over their bodies!”

(According to the Jojo wiki, this name is an allusion to the album Aqua by Asia.)

The baddie rounds the block to observe Josuke’s house from another angle and to try to puzzle out which bedroom is that of Josuke. He comments that he’s jealous of Josuke for having such a sexy mother and says that he wants to kill Josuke for attacking him when he was trying to rob the convenience store. “I simply adore killing wealthy arrogant brats like you…” he says wistfully. See the problem with this guy is that nobody has directed his talents in a productive way that might benefit society.

Bad Guy spots a dude walking his dog. Ahh! It must be the inconsiderate douchebag who doesn’t pick up his dog’s shit! He even drops a cigarette butt on the ground, so you know he’s a selfish dickbag. The leash strains and is yanked hard. The guy looks up and whatever he sees must be something…awful?

OK and this next page is so balls-out insane that I have to share the whole thing.

Hobgoblin2099


That thing with the dog was Dio as hell and I somehow forgot all about it.

The Bad Guy lets this guy know that not cleaning up after your dog and littering are things that only assholes do. Then he kills the guy by using his punchghost, which he presumably forced into the guy’s mouth in the previous page, to punch holes in the dude’s head from the inside! Bad Guy poses to congratulate himself on a job well done.

Aqua Necklace, which we can see can move/merge with liquid, then enters the local water supply. We cut to a running tap in Josuke’s house and we see Tomoko pour tap water into a coffee machine. Our perspective then leaves the kitchen and we travel into the next room. Josuke is in front of a mirror fixing his hair while talking to Jotaro on the phone.

Before we continue, I want to discuss how skillfully the transitions here are handled. When it comes to sequential art, this is about as good as it gets.

I’ve covered the topic of clarity vs. intensity in panel transitions in detail before, in fact, I’ve covered that topic in the other Jojo thread, so yeah, once again, instead of repeating myself, please read this if you haven’t already! Dragonball vs. Jojo: The Point of Panels.


We get the shot of the hose and spigot from medium distance so that we understand what we’re looking at – also note how the top of the panel is slanted, both achieving a dutch angle effect (makes reader feel off-kilter) but also adding a sense of movement as the eye is directed downward. The next panel is less clear overall, but because of the clear medium shot of the spigot that came previously, we understand this is the same hose. Lots of speed lines make us feel like Aqua Necklace is whooshing up the stream of water.


And here is where the magic of sequential art is really put on display. In the first panel we see the stand being slurped up the hose, with various visual indicators showing that it’s going at high speed. The next panel is different in almost every way. You’ll immediately notice it’s feels like it shows a longer duration of time despite the fact that it’s not that much longer than the panel that preceded it. It seems calm, still. Notice how it’s full of horizontal lines while the other one had vertical lines.

I also want to point out that this panel also heightens tension (and therefore the “interestingness” of the comic, as covered in the panels discussion in the linked post.) It would be more clear to just show Aqua Necklace immediately emerging from the tap, but this panel requires the reader to make the inference that there’s a connection between the extremely normal-looking running tap and the action we just saw. Because this panel isn’t explicitly showing Aqua Necklace coming out of the tap, it raises the question “Is the bad guy going to get in this way?” Since earlier in the chapter the bad guy was also casing Josuke’s house, through inferences the reader will also feel the tension coming from the question “Is this Josuke’s house?” then “Will Josuke’s mom be OK?” Similar to flow in comics, the reader generally isn’t noticing these things in a deliberate way (and in fact when you read the comic this all flies by pretty quickly,) but the quality of tension management in a comic has a cumulative effect and if that cumulative effect is bad, you sure as hell are going to notice.


The first panel has no border, which makes it seem to depict a longer period of time than a panel with a border — done here to draw out the tension from the implicit “aaaaaaa is the bad guy’s stand hiding in the water???” Also notice how the linework in that panel suggests mainly horizontal and vertical lines rather than diagonal ones. From the nails, clearly a woman’s hand, “ohh nooo Josuke’s mom!” would be what Araki hopes your brain is thinking right now.

And yep, it is indeed Josuke’s mom — the bad guy has probably infiltrated the Higashikata residence. And once again, check out how almost all of the lines here are horizontal or vertical. The angle of the diagonal lines on the floor is pretty slight, and everything here is pointing to Josuke’s mom. Not only is she “framed” by the lines made by the kitchen stuff behind her, her black sweater is the only solidly black object in the panel. This entire panel is screaming “ohhh nooooooooo what’s gonna happen to Josuke’s moooooommm???”


Now this one here, this is masterful. Instead of just showing a panel of Josuke in another room, we get this panel. Because of the way we read comics, this panel does not function quite the same way a similar such composition would work in cinema. In a film, we would take everything in this panel at once, but because we’re reading this panel on a page with other panels, our eyes sweep down it from top to bottom. Functionally it’s a pan. It’s like we’re being pulled slowly backwards from the kitchen into the next room. The framing here still puts a strong pull on the eye towards Josuke’s mom, which makes Josuke’s apparent obliviousness raise even more tension. “AAAAA JOSUKE, YOUR MOM!!!!” your brain might be screaming at this point. Even his hair points to the kitchen floor whose lines then point back to Tomoko.


Then we are fully in the room with Josuke, scene transition complete. Heh, Josuke is fixing up his hair. Well I do love a fella who knows how to groom himself.

I want to point out that story-wise, nothing would have changed if the sequence had gone like this:

Everything that happens after would still make sense, but by doing the transition that way, the pages that follow have more tension, and are therefore more interesting. Ohh what a nail-biter!

Oh, so the bad guy has a name, it’s Angelo. Um, should have guessed that from the title. Oh well. Jotaro explains to Josuke that Angelo’s stand can be controlled from a distance. Jotaro then says he’ll come over to Josuke’s immediately and until then Josuke should avoid eating or drinking anything and all sources of water. Josuke reacts with shock.


Josuke explains that Tomoko is still holding a candle for Joseph and that if she sees Jotaro she’ll know that Jotaro is his grandson right away. A 15-year-old who considers the feelings of others? Fuck this, I quit. This manga is too unrealistic.

ascalapha odorata

Haha, Josuke still does plenty of teenager-y things that are a lot of fun to watch but yes, he’s also a very kindhearted guy and it’s refreshing. I’m not saying that I think Jotaro is a jerk by any means but it still feels like an about-face for Jojos after the last part.

OK sorry but I have to reproduce this page in full. It’s just TOO GOOD.

DAMN! We’re basically getting a peek in Josuke’s brain here, as the wheels turn until he realize that shit’s about to go down. The top half of the page basically follows his line of sight. The bottom encapsulates that moment of “OH SHIT.”

We then get confirmation that Angelo’s stand is inside Tomoko. Oh shiiiiiiiit!

Once again Araki is making good use of gross shit in people’s mouths to get a good creepy mood going. I’m reminded of when the Kakyoin impostor from Part 3 was spotted eating bugs (although in hindsight that little story had a disappointing resolution to the mystery of wtf was up with Kakyoin. On the other hand, that story did give us rero rero rero so I can’t be too bummed out. But I digress…)

Josuke lets Jotaro know what just happened, then drops the phone. He pockets a bottle then approaches Tomoko. Clearly he has a plan. Uh, punch his mom until the stand comes out? Worked before…Tomoko (or Angelo?) offers Josuke some coffee. What mom does that? Araki keeps Josuke’s eyes covered or partially covered in these panels to show that Josuke has a barrier between himself and Tomoko; it’s a visual representation of Josuke’s insincerity.


Boom! Called it!

Er but then the bottle breaks? Well shit.

Then we get this:

Huh? No reaction? What kinda David Cronenberg kinda shit is this?


Wait what? I know Josuke can fix stuff, but does he have time stop too? Or is he just faster than human perception? Tomoko’s acting like she has no idea what just went down, but even the hostage from the Circle K knew that she got punched. And then he wanders off like nothing happened. I guess he thinks there’s no reason to let her in on what’s going on. Does that mean she doesn’t know that he has a stand? Well that’s sad. I’m remembering Kakyoin’s little flashback about how lonely he was when he was a kid. Aww.


I see, so Josuke broke the bottle then reformed it around Aqua Necklace. That’s pretty clever! I dig it. I’m looking forward to seeing what other “puzzles” Josuke can solve with this ability. Hmm, must read up on the exploits of Kitty Pryde to see if any of them show up here.


“Hey Jotaro? I caught the stand,” Josuke tells Jotaro. “What should I…do with it…?”
Press Down + B, Josuke!

Agent Kool-Aid
it’s really neat to get a good view of all the little techniques araki uses to build tension and all that. also it’s always funny to see the early arc 4 art, because even in the middle of it araki’s art style keeps evolving. it ends up in a really nice place by the time it’s over, in my opinion.
Bad Seafood
Not much for me to comment on here. It’s a tense little chapter and I think you did it justice.
One small thing though, not that it’s a big deal:

Xibanya
Oh, so the bad guy has a name, it’s Angelo. Um, should have guessed that from the title. Oh well.

If you were a kid growing up in Japan, reading the latest Jojo in Weekly Shounen Jump, the title of this chapter would’ve been “Aqua Necklace.” If later on you decided to buy the physical volume containing said chapter, you would have found it (along with the rest of the chapters in this sequence) renamed “Josuke Higashikata! Meets Anjuro ①.” This is actually the case for most Jojo chapters, being named one thing while running in the magazine, only to have it changed for the collected volumes.

CodfishCartographer
This scene / solution from Josuke is one of my favorites in all of JoJo. There this thing in my mom’s blood? Better smash a fucking bottle through her, then repair the bottle as I pull it back through her to catch the stand, then repair her as well.
Iserlohn
Although I don’t like Angelo all too much I do kind of appreciate his place in Part 4. He’s not some incredible ancient force or the henchman of a sexy vampire. He’s just a criminal. A pretty disturbing one and is a little over the top in his depravity, but he’s small-time compared to previous villains. He serves no higher power and is not in search of a legendary treasure; he is just a menace to the community.

I jumped into Part 4 immediately after completing Stardust Crusaders. Now, I am of the mind that Araki generally has a vision for the type of story he wants to tell but expresses it in new, experimental ways with each part. Just as Araki is testing the waters and finding what fits I find myself just touching the shoals with my toes so to speak. What I’m reading is good; it’s unequivocally JoJo’s, but I don’t get totally immersed until I get a sense that Araki is more confident in expressing the material, which of course varies from part to part. Part 4 and Part 2 are the only parts that I picked up and marathoned immediately after starting. There’s something I find appealing about the low-key villain and intimate setting compared to Stardust Crusader’s globetrotting and shadowy mastermind. I don’t remember if it as just the novelty of this type of setting in JoJo’s, but it immediately resonated with me.

So, I’m curious. How did folks first respond to the start of Part 4? Did you have difficulties transitioning from glorious DIO? Also, how does Angelo feel as a villain?

Also, I wish Araki renamed Angelo’s stand Aqualung.

Agent Kool-Aid
i’m less a fan of stardust crusaders because it really has the feeling of ‘saturday morning cartoon with a new villain every week’ throughout most of it. hell, a couple later arcs have some definite travel elements to them but they feel a lot more intimate in a way than arc 3, a big part of that being araki getting more into the flow of things. diamond is unbreakable is the first time he really experiments with that sort of feeling and it really shows.
hoobajoo
I really love action stories where the stakes have never been lower, and Part 4 fits that bill perfectly. Part 4 was instantly my favorite when I read it, and only Part 7 even challenges that rank.

Angelo is pretty bland as a villain, but his stand is the perfect vehicle to show off Josuke’s ingenuity and stand power. It’s a power that might be awkward even for Jotaro with time stop to beat, since stands like Aqua Necklace or The Fool usually just fall apart harmlessly when attacked, which helps push Josuke as the new protagonist.

Tarezax
Off topic, but did you read Roach Busters (Gokiburi Buster)? It’s a oneshot by the OPM team. Low stakes action is the perfect description.
Lumberjack Bonanza
I somehow totally forgot Angelo just eats a dog’s head.

I always found it odd how nonchalantly Josuke’s mom reacted to having a hole punched through her as well. It’s clear that his Stand is fast, keeping up with Star Platinum and all, but surely it isn’t fast enough for her to just go about her business.

It’s possible that Araki simply didn’t think we needed another panel reflecting a character’s confusion at what the fuck happened to them, but maybe Josuke does this all the time. Like if his mom eats something that upsets her stomach, he just rips the food out and tosses it in the trash.

God I hope not. “Sure, female character, I’ll do things to you without your knowledge! Don’t worry, I know best what’s good for you.” is a shitty message, one that is sadly perpetuated in a lot of comics, and not just Japanese ones. I suppose part of it is inherent to the “superhero” genre (which JJBA part 4 is somewhat inhabiting at the moment) but it’s a terrible message for people (particularly teenage boys) to internalize. It just reminds me of the time at work a new dev fucked up my test environment database. When asked to revert, response was “Oh I thought you had it set up that way by mistake so I fixed it!” Or maybe there’s a reason it was set up that way, try asking first, dipshit!

Returning to JJBA it just seems so nightmarish that things would have gotten to the point that Tomoko is SO used to getting brutalized then magically patched up that an incident of that happening isn’t even worth remarking upon and she assumes she just has scary delusions and she just goes about pretending they don’t exist — after all, it seems that she doesn’t yet know that Josuke has a stand given that Josuke didn’t tell his mom what was going on. The only other situation I can think of in which a person gets so used to denying the truth of their own perceptions is an abusive relationship and it seems extremely clear that that’s not the intention here.

My guess is that Araki is just trying to say everything went down faster than ordinary human perception. In other words, JJBA protagonist stands move at the speed of plot expediency.

Hoobajoo
The idea is just she is healed quickly enough she’s not entirely sure what happened beyond feeling weird for a second, since it all happened so fast, and just goes about her day. [Josuke’s stand] is just fast, that’s all.

Hobgoblin2099
Aqua Necklace is basically Geb with slightly different powers, so it’s interesting to see Josuke get thrown up against a Stand that gave the entirety of the Part 3 cast so much trouble.

Agent Kool-Aid
yeah, [Josuke’s stand] isn’t at the same speed levels of star platinum but it’s definitely up there. it’s a prime example of punchghost, with thankfully something else to really differentiate it and enable some really odd solutions later on. it’s probably the last example of a ‘real’ punchghost in the series, as far as main protag stands go. i wouldn’t call it much of a spoiler, but the whole ‘punch through someone and heal them up right afterwards’ thing actually drops off hard after the beginning. on my recent reread i even noted how there was more of that than i remember. i feel like josuke gets less…brutal to an extent after the beginning parts? i keep bringing it up, but it’s funny how you can kind see araki grow over time, even when in the middle of an arc.

i can only assume that punching through tomoko might not have been a thing josuke’s done before but the alternative was her dying, so eh. i’m just glad that it’s not a trend that keeps happening.

Lumberjack Bonanza
I just thought the idea of Josuke solving mundane problems through intense mutilation was amusing.

I’m sure Araki was just demonstrating that Josuke is just so skilled with his Stand he can do stuff like this no problem.

Agent Kool-Aid
oh, definitely. i just think it’s kinda weird considering his character. he still does some sick-ass shit later on but it feels like it makes more sense then.

Kaiser Mazoku
Xibanya
God I hope not. “Sure, female character, I’ll do things to you without your knowledge! Don’t worry, I know best what’s good for you.” is a shitty message

I’m…not quite sure that’s what Lumberjack Bonanza was implying.

I’m sure it’s not, and as I said at the bottom of the post where the bit you quoted is from, I know it’s not Araki’s intention either.

In the sort of nebulous world of the meta-effect of comics, it’s a common narrative tool that the hero has special knowledge that other characters don’t have — in fact that’s one of the characteristics named in Joseph Campbell’s hero of a thousand faces. As a result, the main character often “knows better” than non-hero characters. I was basically trying to say that, while one-off instances of a character doing something to a character with a lower social status (wrt their identity, as in, women below men, educated above uneducated, professionals above tradesmen, etc) without their ever finding out is not intrinsically bad, I believe that this narrative device has a bad effect on society in aggregate.

Going by the Lajos Egri school of thought (I will never stop singing praises for that lovely Hungarian) part of the deal with fiction is that whether the author intends it to be read that way or not, stories are basically like scientific proofs – if conditions are x and y, then z is result. (Example: King Lear – “blind trust leads to destruction.”) So every time this sort of thing goes down in a superhero comic, there’s a tacit endorsement of the theme “it’s OK to mess with people without their knowledge as long as everything turns out OK.” (Visit Superdickery for lots of examples of Superman doing this to Lois and Jimmy.)

I do feel conflicted about saying this is a bad thing because you’re gonna have this happen in any story with a superhero who has a secret identity regardless of sex but I think it’s a bad theme for readers to internalize because way too many people overestimate their own awareness of any given situation leading to the sort of annoying incidents I described in my previous post.

Don’t get me wrong, this is a really minor nitpick and I’m not going to let it stand in the way of my enjoyment of some kickin’ rad punchghost comics!

Aurain
This is a lot of over-analysing a cool as fuck scene where Josuke punches a hole through his mom.
Law Cheetah
fucking namedropper

It wasn’t the scene itself that prompted the , it was the (jokingly suggested) idea that this is fairly routine in the Higashikata household, (and at the risk of repeating myself, I don’t believe it is.)

You thought someone who doesn’t perform literary criticism of comics for 12 to 16-year old boys did the Let’s Read, but it was actually I, Xibanya!

Bad Seafood
I always assumed Josuke was faster, more efficient in this case because his mom’s life was in danger, in this case creating contrast between comical anger (at his hair being insulted) and righteous anger (at having someone he loves threatened). Much like how you have Jotaro hitting harder, punching faster, ultimately mastering the time stop in order to beat Dio fueled entirely by his anger, Josuke is framed in a similar manner. Now he’s “Serious.”
ascalapha odorata
That’s a better take than what I had and is really, really smart when you think about it. It shows how carefully Araki seems to have thought about presenting Josuke so you get a full picture of him right off the bat. He did something similar with Jotaro, just far more subtle because of Jotaro’s personality (the gruff checkin with mom about how she’s feeling, the sheepishness about helping out with the flesh bud, etc). Little stuff that makes a difference, honestly, because I think that’s why I get so attached to these folks. Josuke’s just a really fantastic character.
Cerebral Bore
I think the simplest explanation is that Tomoko’s brain just didn’t have time to register what just happened before she was back to normal.
ascalapha odorata
It is kind of interesting to think about the implications of a guy who can basically fix things/other people and what that does. Josuke’s clearly a quick thinker (stand users are not always so, believe it or not) but he’s still a kid. Doing that so spur of the moment does sorta make you wonder if he does that shit all the time.

What happens when you KNOW your friend/relative can do that, too?

But – I think Josuke’s Stand is honestly just straight up fast enough to have done that without Tomoko having registered it. I think that was part of the point of that whole thing; to show its speed, Josuke’s problem solving abilities, and the fact that he is clearly so well-versed in his own abilities that doing such a thing to a loved one doesn’t even merit a second thought. Doing it to knife-tummy was different. I liked starting out with a guy who knows his abilities, more or less.

I thought I answered the question about transitioning from DIO last night but I guess I didn’t, probably because it was a grumpy answer and still will be: I read through the last chunk of Part 3 way too quickly and was definitely satisfied by the resolution in terms of Jotaro/DIO and all, since it was cool, but I was still sort of bummed out by the whole thing (and mad at Joseph and Jotaro for moving on so quickly! Fuckers! Your friends are dead!) so I was really, really looking forward to Part 4’s change of pace. Angelo’s an interesting villain to start with.

Hobgoblin2099
I think the most interesting thing about [Josuke’s stand] is that it restores things rather than heal them. Josuke was able to shape that guy’s nose differently after all. I wonder if Josuke has a desire to be a doctor or something, since he seems to know how to manipulate the human body pretty well.

I know that ascalapha odorata’s comment about getting mad at Joseph and Jotaro for not mourning their fallen comrades very much was written as a joke, but I don’t find the events as depicted wholly unrealistic. Grief does not follow a schedule or checklist.

ascalapha odorata
Oh, definitely. And I mean what, Jotaro’s going to break down? That’s not Jotaro.

It was more just that I should have taken a break when reading. I even knew what happened to everyone going into it and was still pretty heartbroken over Abdul and Iggy.

One of my friends mentioned marathoning all Dio episodes when they watched SDC and I actually wanted to caution them against it for a variety of reasons, not least of which because it just seems sort of relentless to go through it all at once as a viewer. But they hated Kakyoin so I guess it worked out for them.

I mean that’s why I like re-reading Part 4 in pieces like this. Going through any Jojo stuff too fast doesn’t work out well, though that’s normally just because you miss out on interesting details.

Agent Kool-Aid
i think arc 4 is still the longest arc to date, which influences the overall tone. it’s a nice break after the first 3 arcs.

Next: Josuke Meets Angelo Part 2!

Let’s Read Diamond is Unbreakable Chapters 1 – 3!

Let's Read

Introduction

The purpose of this Let’s Read is to allow newcomers to Part Four of Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure to read it and share their experiences on it together as well as for those who have already read it to discuss the series up to the latest chapter of the Let’s Read.  Like many of you, I have never read JJBA’s Part 4 before.  While someone who has already read the series could provide a deeper reading, part of the fun of a Let’s Read is tracking the evolution of the reader’s (and community’s) understanding of whatever is being read.

That means that I or some of the discussion participants may end up forming incorrect theories, focusing on things that aren’t important, or overlooking things that are.  That is a feature and not a bug.  Because I want to provide the most authentic possible reading and because I want those following along to be able to react to the story at their own pace, I would appreciate it if those who comment on the Let’s Read in the thread would add spoiler tags to any remarks related to chapters that have not yet been covered. Thank you for helping us make this Let’s Read an unbreakable diamond!

Chapter One

I dedicate my Let’s Read of Chapter One to my anonymous benefactor, who bought me this awesome new avatar! Thank you!

Jotaro Meets Josuke, Part One

For this chapter, I’m using a scanslation by The Invincible Trio

High school freshman (equivalent to American 10th grader) Koichi Hirose begins narrating the story to us. It’s March, 1999, the start of a new school year. That technically puts this story in the near future, as this chapter was first published in Weekly Shonen Jump in May of 1992. If you were a Japanese teenager reading this story as it came out, you were probably also following Slam Dunk, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Dragonball, all of which were also being published in Weekly Shonen Jump at that time. It also bears mentioning that at this time in 1992, Japan was seeing a huge meltdown in their stock market, leading into their “lost decade.”

Koichi lives in a relatively small town, and the first thing I thought when I saw the panel was “This looks just like Ueda.”

Here’s a photo I took while I was in Ueda.

I consider that worth mentioning because on my last trip to Japan, I spent a night in Ueda and had the opportunity to wander around. Ueda is not really that big of a town and I barely saw any buildings with more than three stories. The whole place also looked like it had seen better days – it wasn’t run down by any means, but a lot of the buildings just didn’t look that well maintained and I suspect it’s because any kid smart enough to go to college would then find a job somewhere with more to offer. It’s probably worth noting that after wandering around a bit, I immediately started thinking of Mabase from FLCL. So I’m going into this primed to think of Morioh as being this sort of town.

ascalapha odorata: “I like your perspective on Morioh, I had something a little different in mind – a sort of tidy small town that doesn’t really exist anywhere outside of the setting for a horror movie. A good template for lots of horrible stuff to go down, I guess? But yours is more realistic/interesting.”

Might be something that’s hard to picture unless you’ve seen it yourself. Unlike the USA, in Japan you don’t have a lot of sprawl, so you just have these smallish towns that are really dense and then nothing but farmland or forest between them. Contrast that with the states where most places you can keep driving through strip mall hell in perpetuity. And I’m saying this from firsthand experience – my last trip to Japan was an 11 day road trip in which I spent each night in a different town. It was fucking awesome.

And just to help everyone see things the way I’m seeing them, here are some more photos I took in Ueda.


So we’ll see if Morioh continues to remind me of Ueda.

Koichi looks like he’s going to be the normal mild-mannered character who is constantly in awe of shit and has to have stuff explained to him all the time so that the audience can get what’s going on. I’m not crazy about this kind of character because they usually don’t have much else going on personality-wise. I’m reminded of Manta from Shaman King, a series I stopped reading probably less than fifty chapters in. Shaman King is this shonen manga about people who fight with ghosts or something. And I don’t mean Punch Ghosts(tm) I mean like actual ghosts. Manta was this ugly short kid who was always having to have shit about ghost fights explained to him and/or get rescued. But let’s leave Manta aside for now; we’ll return to him later.

On the title page we get a nice look at our protagonist, Josuke!

He’s also got some fun accessories just like Jotaro. And a pompadour-mullet. Given that Slam Dunk and Yu Yu Hakusho were running at the same time he’s in good company. Also, he appears to be a Super Saiyan.

Distracted by his own running inner commentary perhaps, Koichi bumps into a really tall guy. Obviously it’s Jotaro, not just because the title of the chapter is Jotaro meets Josuke but because belts.

No further comment.

Koichi falls and all of his school supplies scatter, but then Star Platinum’s arms whoosh in outta nowhere!

(I like the idea that Jotaro was like aaaahhh shit, fuck, um, THE WORLD!)

Koichi is surprised to find that he hasn’t fallen down after all. Jotaro apologizes for looking at a map instead of paying attention to where he was going. Araki uses some forced perspective here to make Jotaro look absolutely massive.

Koichi notes that Jotaro must be over 6 feet tall. Jotaro asks Koichi where to find the Higashikata residence. Koichi says he’s not sure, as the town has about 53k people living in it. With that, Koichi confirms that this still a pretty small town. Via narration Koichi notes that he would later get to know Jotaro better and that Jotaro is 28 years old and a notable marine biologist. That’s a fun touch – Jotaro was so closed off in Stardust Crusaders that we never really learned too much about what he was like when he wasn’t on a quest to kill a fabulously sexy vampire so it’s nice to see that he has interests beyond being a shonen punch fight protagonist.

Hobgoblin2099: “This is why we were laughing about the Dark Blue Moon episode and the magazine during the Anubis episode, anime watchers.

ascalapha odorata: “Once you know this a whole wealth of dolphin jokes relating to Jotaro become available to you. It doesn’t really get old, though it probably should.”

Koichi says that even though Jotaro was so large, he wasn’t afraid of him because he seemed smart and gentle. Koichi then lays down the foreshadowing – who he will really be afraid of is “that Higashikata guy.”

TITLE DROPPPPP! Kinda? Close enough.

Aurain: “Xibanya, Part 4 Josuke Higashikata is actually a straight title drop. Diamond is not Crash/Unbreakable is a post publication thing.”

Enourmo: “Yeah kinda like how part 3 was called ‘Heritage for the Future’ and ‘Stardust Crusaders’ came later.”

Forktoss: “Where did the names come from, by the way? Diamond is Unbreakable I get, I guess, but I have no idea what ‘is not Crash’ even means.”

Senor Candle: “Diamond is Not Crash is just the literal(bad) translation of the japanese title.”

Bad Seafood: “Diamond is Unbreakable is the “Official,” after-the-fact title assigned by Araki, just one time I think the guys who made ASB put up a trailer that translated it as Diamond is Not Crash and a bunch of idiots switched to that and now there’s confusion among the Western fanbase.

Probably a lot of overlap with the people who insist it’s Telence T. D’Arby and Tohth.”

Daxing Dan: “Diamond is not Crash has been Part 4’s official English subtitle in Japan for a very long time, at least since the Shueisha printing published from 2004, if I’m reading Wikipedia right. Now, anyone who with working English knowledge and half a brain would realize that “Diamond is not Crash” doesn’t actually mean anything, so all the western translations just used Diamond is Unbreakable. However, it wasn’t until Jojoveller in 2013 that Japan officially switched as well.”

We see some asshole high schoolers bullying underclassmen, looks like they walked into the vicinity while Koichi was narrating about Jotaro. They and Jotaro notice each other but don’t otherwise react.

PROTAGONIST ALERT!

The assholes notice Josuke crouched at a fountain. He hasn’t been introduced yet, but come on. He’s on the cover and the title page, so yeah, we know this is the protagonist. The first look we get at this character will have been put together with great care in order to provide us the best picture of what we can expect from this character moving forward, so what happens next is likely to be significant in as much as it will demonstrate the kind of person Araki intends Josuke to be.

The asshole contingent asks him what he’s up to with the implication he is not doing what he should be doing (kissing their asses, presumably.) Josuke answers as if the question “what are you doing?” had come from someone genuinely curious about the answer. He tells the assholes that he is trying to overcome his fear of turtles by hanging out near a turtle on the rim of the fountain. This kind of answer can indicate one of two things about a character: one, they’re so stuck in their own head and goofy that they don’t consider the possibility that things people say mean anything other than the literal meaning of their words (common in absent-minded professor archetypes, cute girl archetypes, wacky mascot character archetypes, etc) or two: the character knows very well what the other character meant but is pretending to misunderstand (like with wise trickster archetypes, guile heroes, manipulators, and so on.) So what’s it gonna be? Josuke stands up.

Second one. For sure.

Looks like Josuke is pretending to not notice that these guys are trying to start shit in order to give them a way to move on while still saving face/in order to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Pretty smart for a shonen protagonist.

The assholes note that Josuke is pretty tall, then start demanding that he show them proper respect. One of them waves the turtle at him, causing him to (humorously) back off from fear. Then one of the assholes slaps him hard enough to bust his lip. Josuke responds by bowing deeply and apologizing. In response, one of the assholes hurls the turtle into a concrete pillar.

Josuke reacts but his face doesn’t reveal much, although you might say that the fact that his face doesn’t reveal much is, itself, revealing. I mean, what kind of person doesn’t go “Dude, shit!” when some asshole brutalizes a turtle?

The assholes then demand that Josuke remove his school uniform (wtf) and give them his money. Josuke’s response:

Delicious. There’s a lot packed into that first panel of his face there. The tension is building, we just know these guys are gonna get fucked up, the only question is how — and since this is Jojo, we know it’s gonna involve punchghosts one way or another. So the real question is not “how will our nice protagonist get out of this fix?” It’s “what kind of crazy power will the protagonist use to fuck these jerkasses up?”

Jotaro says that Josuke deserves what he gets for his dumb hair and outfit. (Way to blame the victim, asshole.) He also mentions that he’s pissed off that Josuke didn’t even try to defend the defenseless turtle. One of the bullies asks for Josuke’s name and Josuke provides — causing Jotaro to realize that this is the guy that he was looking for all along.

Josuke proceeds to disrobe per the bullies’ request, but then one of them says his hair looks stupid.

Now Josuke has flipped into Jojo protagonist you-are-fucked mode. Since this is also the scene that establishes who he is as a character, I once again predict one of two things: one – for whatever reason he’s insecure about his hair (does he style it that way because he promised his dead childhood friend or something?) or two – he doesn’t actually give a shit about his hair, he just arbitrarily picked something to pretend to get pissed off over just to fuck with these assholes — in other words, he was never going to let them take their little game all the way to its natural conclusion, he just wanted to give them every opportunity to quit before he totally wrecks their shit.

And blammo, out comes the stand!

Shiiiiiit!

And now that same forced perspective trick we saw with Jotaro earlier comes back, now with Josuke.

 ==>

Hmmmm!

The asshole whose nose Josuke broke denies mocking Josuke’s hair. In response, Josuke further grinds his motherfucking face into the ground! Holy fuck!

Jotaro notes in an internal monologue that he spotted the arm of Josuke’s stand. Koichi reacts with surprise as he watches Josuke pick up the turtle, which is now totally fine, and drop it back into the fountain.

The assholes then react with shock – the guy whose nose Josuke broke (?) is now also totally fine, although now his nose looks really weird.

Now looking totally Jojo badass, Josuke tells the bullies he’s pissed off since they made him touch the turtle. “Now, how do you want to die?” Subsequently, the bullies fuck off.

Jotaro notes Josuke is related to Joseph and that he’s the one Jotaro was looking for. Josuke looks back at Jotaro and remarks “huh, that guy looks a bit like me…”

End chapter one!

As far as art goes, if I unpacked this chapter like I did Dragonball Chapter 30, it would take about as long, but there was some really good flow management going on here.

A note on flow I could write shitloads of paragraphs about flow in comics, what it is, why it’s important, how it’s done, and so on, but I’m not going to because I already did and a lot of people here already read it, so if you haven’t yet, check this out and then come back: The Anatomy of the Art of Dragonball: Composition

Anyway, that said, check out this page:

The fountain is circular, but every time it appears in the chapter, it’s never shown in full. The circle never completes on the right side. The fountain is also surrounded by square tiles. Look at how the rows of tiles form lines. Araki uses the fountain’s circular rim and the lines formed by the tiles to guide your eye to the next thing you’re supposed to read; it can’t be an accident, as there’s just no panel in the entire chapter that directs the eye to the right.

Notice how he uses the circular rim of the fountain – no matter where your eyes enter the panel, they go around the rim to rest on whatever is breaking the outline of it.

Chapter Two

Jotaro Meets Josuke, Part 2

Translation: Invincible Trio

“What are you looking at?” Josuke sneers at Jotaro as massive sound effects zip around their heads.

LIKE. I’m a huge sucker for characters that have more running beneath the surfance than they let on, something that’s disappointingly uncommon in shonen protags. What’s going on here is that Araki has shown that Josuke can get just as intense and scary as Jotaro, and then he deliberately undercut the sincere tone of the scene by having Josuke act goofy again, making it unclear whether or not Josuke’s sudden mood swing is actually sincere or if it’s a put on. It reminds me of early-Dragonball Roshi. Come to think of it, it reminds me of something else.

OK, no lie, I adore Joseph from Battle Tendency, and it’s not just because he had a sexy voice in the anime (Tomokazu Sugita ) I’ve bought all the Viz volumes of the manga that are out so far with actual money, that’s how much I like it. Particularly I loved how Joseph in Battle Tendency could get serious but you never got the impression that he felt like he had to project a carefully curated image of himself to the world – even if Joseph’s behavior was a put-on at times (“I’ve been working on the railroad!”), it was a put-on of some aspect of his real self. So far I’m getting that impression from Josuke as well. In comparison, I feel like Jotaro was always pretty restrained, like he was scared of not being cool!

Jotaro starts rattling off Josuke’s vital stats: his name, his mom’s name, her age when she had him. This gets Josuke’s attention. Jotaro goes on to say that Josuke has always lived in this town and that when he was four he suffered a severe fifty-day illness. (I guess his stand was killing him like what happened to Jotaro’s mom.) Aaaaaand Josuke’s father’s name was

Josefu Joestaa!

What a twist! Except did anybody not know this? Either way though, if this means that Josuke will be Joseph-like, I’m pumped!

Josuke looks pretty shocked. Jotaro continues to spout exposition, possibly saying more in these panels than everything he ever said out loud in all of Stardust Crusaders.

Joseph is 79 years old. While trying to sort out inheritance, it was discovered that Joseph had begotten an illegitimate child – Josuke. (And planned to leave some money to him! How’s that for considerate!) Jotaro seems kinda mad that Joseph was unfaithful to Suzie Q, but I’m not that shocked, I mean, does Joseph seem like the kind of guy to sincerely fall in love with anybody? Anyway, Jotaro then introduces himself properly to Josuke and adds that he is technically Josuke’s nephew.

Josuke seems kind of shaken but takes the news graciously.

Koichi is also still around, just chilling out and listening to these strangers talk, when, if you think about it, it would be kind of weird to follow around two strangers like that. And yeah, they have moved, since they’re not near the fountain any more, they’re on a little bridge.

Jotaro says he came to Morioh to tell Josuke to expect his inheritance soon. He then adds that the whole family is in turmoil right now on account of the affair coming to life. Josuke gets a pained look and apologizes while bowing deeply for causing the trouble.

Jotaro asks what I’m thinking – “What’s up with you? Why are you apologizing?” Josuke looks like even he isn’t completely sure, but explains that his mother was seriously in love with Joseph and raised Josuke by herself; they’re fine and don’t need the money. Jotaro stares as he runs through his internal monologue: “What kind of guy is he? I came here in the old man’s place thinking that he was going to fight me, but he’s apologizing…I’m surprised. Well, he’s quite mature, I guess…”

Also Koichi is still hanging around these strangers while they discuss sensitive matters, mouth agape. That’s kind of weird. Boundaries, man, boundaries!

Then a bunch of schoolgirls show up calling Josuke’s name with hearts in their speech bubbles! They mob him and shower him with compliments, particularly on his hair. Jotaro has had enough of this shit and shouts at the girls, telling them to leave them alone and stop going on about Josuke’s dumb hair.

Josuke grinds his foot into the ground and the girls look up in shock. “You just said something you should never say!” one of the girls helpfully explains.

Heh, the style in which these girls are drawn really dates this chapter.

OK, so I guess Josuke really does have a complex about his hair?

Josuke moves in to attack Jotaro, so Jotaro pops him in the mouth with Star Platinum. Jotaro begins to explain to Josuke what a stand is, how only other stand users can see them, and that Josuke has had a stand since he was four. But it looks like Josuke gives no fucks.

Hm. That’s not very Joseph-like. I guess Josuke is kind of a crazy person?

Hobgoblin2099: “To be fair, is there any Jojo that isn’t kind of a crazy person?

I mean even Jonathan was the kind of guy who would grab a knife barehanded and risk getting his fingers cut off.”

He calls out his stand. It looks kinda like The World, maybe for the headgear? Its head is heart-shaped.

Josuke’s stand attacks Star Platinum and breaks its guard. Jotaro is surprised by its strength. Josuke gets a clear shot at Jotaro’s face and it looks like Jotaro’s gonna get his shit wrecked, but the blow whifs — all Josuke manages to hit is the front of Jotaro’s cap. The standard shonen bystander crowd remarks “I couldn’t see him move!” “What happened?” “How is this possible?”

“This is nuts!”

Jotaro narrates that he hadn’t stopped time in ten years (I guess since he fought DIO? But what about when he bumped into Koichi at the start of chapter one? Maybe he means he hadn’t stopped time in combat since then?) Then shit gets pretty weird. Jotaro’s cap starts mending itself…well, sort of.

Eh, good enough.

Bad Seafood: “Two things.  Jotaro didn’t use time stop to grab all of Koichi’s things, he just grabbed them really, really quickly. Star Platinum is pretty fast even without needing to stop time. Lest we forget, Jotaro was fast enough in chapter one of his own introduction to grab a bullet in mid-flight.

The other thing is to not worry about Koichi. He might start out as the Watson of Part 4, but he grows into more pretty quickly.”

ascalapha odorata: “It’s a little confusing but yes, it’s a reminder of just how FAST platinum is. This is a deal where you think ‘ok does it really matter?’ and it sort of does matter to know which aspect of platinum he’s using.

Oh right, and Koichi definitely starts out one way – as you described him – but thankfully he changes a bit. He’s not one of my favorite characters but my first impression was basically ‘ok this is just the fringe guy who never gets super involved so he can narrate things safely.’ Not the case.”

Jotaro clocks Josuke in the face for his trouble. The schoolgirls scream his name, but Jotaro snarls at them so they leave.

Jotaro then tells Josuke he didn’t just show up on family business. Joseph took a photo with Hermit Purple that shows that something creepy is hanging out in Josuke’s hometown. Something…dangerous. OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

End Chapter 2!

I think it’s interesting that we get comments on how Jotaro and Josuke are incredibly tall and yet nobody comments on the fact that they’re both biracial? One of my dearest friends in the world is ethnically Hakka but speaks Japanese as a first language and he says that people are constantly commenting on how “skilled” his Japanese is in the most fucking obnoxious and condescending way possible, and he doesn’t even have any non-East-Asian blood in him. My guess is that Jotaro and Josuke’s non-Japanese heritage is basically an inconvenient detail that Shueisha would like their readers to forget ASAP lest kids go “argh, how can I possibly identify with a character that might not look like me in every possible way!”

chaos rhames: “Jotaro is an extremely ripped man dressed like a rich street thug who stands about a head taller than everyone else. It’s probably just overlooked but with him you can say nobody wants to get on his bad side.”

Yeah but nobody even comments on it in their inner monologues either.

To continue the art notes, Araki continues to take care with the use of lines to direct flow:

Bad Seafood: “I feel like the turtle is really what brings all the elements of Josuke’s introduction together, and not just because Araki’s employing the standard practice of using an animal’s suffering to elicit sympathy. The very first thing we see of Josuke is him and the turtle. He’s afraid of turtles, so he’s trying to will himself to get over his fear. Turtles are an odd thing to be afraid of, so it comes off as a bit (charmingly) eccentric, but it also paints Josuke as the sort of person who’s willing to face his fears.

The most important bit though is his actual interactions with the turtle.

I hate bugs, which I don’t think is too uncommon. Whenever I see a bug in my immediate vicinity, my instinct, my desire, is always to kill it. Now obviously a turtle is a little different, but if you don’t like turtles (whether you’re scared of them or think they’re gross), you will probably treat them at best with a certain amount of distance, at worst with hostility. So Josuke is afraid of turtles. Most people wouldn’t kill a turtle just cause they were afraid of it, but they either wouldn’t bother with them, or would treat them like an object to be reviled. Josuke, meanwhile, is willing to reach out to the turtle, to make contact. Josuke fears turtles, but he recognizes them as living beings with as much a right to exist and be treated fairly as anyone else. He is visibly angry when the turtle is smashed, visibly disgusted when he has to actually touch it to put it back in the fountain, but he still uses his power to heal its injury and picks it up with his own two hands to put it back.

All I’ll say to cap this for now is that Josuke is my personal favorite Jojo, and his bit with the turtle touches on a lot of the reasons why.”

ascalapha odorata: “I think I said earlier in this thread that I went into this part pretty sure there was absolutely no way that I’d like Josuke, because he looked utterly ridiculous to me. I ended up reading this part really quickly and the whole reason is because I was immediately sold on Josuke (though stuff that happens later really solidified it, I won’t spoil that). The first glimpse of Josuke is pretty well done since it gives you a sense of his stand in a couple ways, one that’s pretty subtle at first I think.

I’m pretty sure Josuke’s my favorite Jojo, at the very least he seems to have the most depth to him (no offense to the other Jojos – there are reasons why Josuke ends up with the luxury of a more carefully defined character in this part).”

Moltrey: Josuke is also my favorite JoJo and a lot of the reasons why are seeded here. The turtle and Josuke giving the upperclassmen every chance to end the situation without conflict has been discussed, but Josuke turning down the money is my favorite thing.

To me, it’s not that weird for Josuke to apologize and not accept the money. It’s an early sign that Josuke is mature enough to understand his parents situation and that maybe taking the money and giving it to his mother may not exactly be the best thing. Him apologizing is odd on it’s face, but it shows that he has quite a bit of emotional depth for a fifteen year old, enough that he feels guilt that his birth is what’s caused strife in the Joestar household, even if it’s not his fault.

These whole first chapters really start giving Josuke a lot more depth than you’d expect a shonen protagonist in 1992 to have and I’m excited to watch you explore that.

FirstAidKite: “I like how koichi is just recycled from araki’s earlier manga Cool Shock BT”

Chapter Three

Jotaro Meets Josuke Part 3

Translation: Invincible Trio

This chapter was originally published in Weekly Shonen Jump on May 25th, 1992.

Fun facts about Japan in 1992, ripped straight from Wikipedia! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_in_Japan

January 8: US President George H. W. Bush vomits in Prime Minister Miyazawa’s lap during a state dinner.

March 7: Sailor Moon anime series starts on TV Asahi.

March 14: Nozomi services begin on the Tokaido Shinkansen.

March 25: Huis ten Bosch opens in Nagasaki Prefecture.

April 1: Chiba City is divided into wards; Taiyo Kobe Mitsui Bank renames itself to Sakura Bank.

May 2: Civil servants are granted a two-day weekend for the first time.

May 22: Japan New Party founded.

Other fun stuff about 1992: Japan’s bubble economy had collapsed; the velocity of money screeched to a halt, and deflation set in. Consumption and investment dropped off significantly. Street Fighter II won game of the year. The Super Scope was released for the NES. The Atari was discontinued. The Cold War was formally ended. The Silence of the Lambs won Best Picture. What a year, what a year! I remember it vividly. I was two years old for most of it.

Well, anyway…

When we last left our heroes, Jotaro had warned Josuke that something SPOOKY and DANGEROUS was lurking in his town! And then forced the original readers in 1992 to wait a whole week for details.

Jotaro warns Josuke to watch his back, then tells Koichi to stay away from the creepy dude. I guess he doesn’t mind that Koichi just learned a really sensitive matter? Does Jotaro just give no fucks? I’m now imagining Jotaro at a bus stop telling a stranger the story of how he fought in the Vietnam War, became a famous marine biologist, and met the president. Jotaro then peaces out, saying he’ll be slumming it in some hotel until he catches the creeper from the photo. Josuke asks for more details, but Jotaro says he’ll explain more tomorrow.

Once on his own, Jotaro begins to exposit via internal monologue about the nasty dude from the photograph. He’s “the sickest, most dangerous criminal in all of Japan,” and a native son of Morioh. He’s basically a serial killer/rapist/pedarast. Jotaro helpfully adds that at least one of his victims was a fourteen year old boy that he raped, murdered, then de-penised. The guy was hanged but managed to survive even after 20 minutes at the noose. The execution was then delayed and the guy escaped from prison two weeks later and is lurking somewhere in town. This has caused Jotaro to suspect that the guy is a stand user.

Let’s step back a moment and digest this. The laundry list of this guy’s crimes (and I abbreviated it) serves a purpose other than to shock the audience or match contemporary 90s GRIMDARK trends. By showing us the horrible shit that can happen in this setting, Araki is telling us that this story takes place in a world of consequences. What that means is that we should expect events that happen in this story to affect characters in a realistic manner, and that requires us to read a little more closely than a shonen manga typically requires. In short – just because a character doesn’t remark on something or visibly react to something doesn’t mean they weren’t affected by it. This is another topic I already wrote about at length, so again instead of repeating myself, I’ll just link that discussion here.

We then switch locations – hey look at the use of lines to guide flow again!

We see a dude in a convertible ride up next to some hot lady walking down the street in order to hit on her. (Note to dudes: do not do this, it is scary.) She responds by smashing the guy’s face into the door.

A cop on a bike (lol) comes riding up and the assaulted dude calls for help, but the cop declines, explaining that the lady is his daughter. (Cripes, if he looks like that I guess the mother had to have been a real looker to compensate!)

And the cop calls her Tomoko. Wait, so that’s Josuke’s mom? Talk about a yummy mummy! Hm, seems she also has a violent streak.

Can I point out that this looks really odd?

Anyhow, Tomoko remarks that she’s thinking about Josuke on his first day of high school, saying that she’s a little worried because he has such a short temper, but she knows he’ll be OK because he’s such a nice guy deep down. Her thoughts are interrupted however by her dad hearing a commotion. We then jump to…

Yeah, that was me for a large portion of my university days.

A large crowd has gathered because a robber has taken a clerk hostage in the convenience store. Strange things are afoot at the Circle K! The robber emerges with the hostage.

Side note: who is this guy and why is he so excited?

The robber starts making demands. Josuke’s response is interesting, given that we know Josuke’s a stand user and as far as we know the robber is armed only with a knife.

And then the robber insults Josuke’s hair.

Seems that getting his hair insulted is what flips the switch on Josuke’s personality. If they keep this hair gag up throughout the manga it’ll get old really quick since it’s weirdly irrational in a manga that has been set up for characters to have fairly realistic emotional responses this far, but I’m still intrigued by the idea of a shonen character who isn’t obsessed with coming off as a badass all the time and so comes off as all the more badass as a result. I’m getting the impression that Josuke doesn’t act like a badass, he just is one. THAT, friends, is cool.

Speaking of cool, I hope it’s not if I post this entire page, because this page is ~the shiiiiiit~~!

Damn, that is some DYNAMISM. You can feel this incredible momentum as Josuke (sporting an aura of badassitude) seems to hurtle towards the robber with a the weighty force of a steam train (the effect accomplished through a combination of panel shape, extreme perspective, speed lines, and the way the background elements like the clouds and building guide your eye.) Koichi’s pose also appears to be a deliberate allusion to Smokey from Battle Tendency. Josuke’s eyes in the last panel are hidden by shadow, forming a barrier between himself and the reader — you’re no longer supposed to identify with him because his badassitude has ascended to a level beyond mortal comprehension.

Josuke, standing at full height, confronts the robber. If you really pick apart the panel, the perspective here doesn’t totally make sense, but realistic placement is irrelevant. Araki is going for the gut — just as Josuke fills the panel, emotionally speaking his presence in this scene is now enormous.

The robber begins to plunge the knife into the woman, so Josuke…plunges the fist of his stand into the woman?!

Brutal.

And yet moments later…

Ahaaa so Josuke’s stand must have some sort of healing/matter manipulation ability. I can see this being a double edged sword. One, this is awesome since it will permit a level of brutality to fights that wouldn’t previously have been possible in a story in which events are meant to have realistic consequences, but on the other hand, it could blunt the sense of suspense and danger that JJBA has cultivated up to this point. So we shall see!

The creepy stand thing from the photo comes out of the guy’s mouth. Guess he was just being manipulated like how Kakyoin did at the beginning of Stardust Crusaders and then apparently forgot how to do.

Josuke recognizes the stand as being the one from the photo, but the stand escapes into a drain before anything can be done about it. Before it does, though, it lets Josuke know that it’ll be keeping an eye on him.

End Chapter 3

Yanno, you guys have basically said a lot of what I was gonna say, so I’ll keep this brief. Josuke is a pretty interesting character, but I have to confess that at this point his personality is sort of all over the place. At some points it seems like he’s got very high emotional intelligence and is good at reading others, and then at other points his reactions/behavior seem like they would be more appropriate in a less realistic manga like Dragonball than JJBA — unless the temper and the silliness are an act. So we will see! I’m definitely intrigued by Josuke’s stand ability. That the protagonists’ stands in Part 3 were so punch-oriented hurt the series somewhat, so I’m extremely happy to see a protagonist with a stand ability that’s more than “punch stuff a lot, maybe stop time to get some more punches in.”

Bad Seafood: “The deal with Josuke’s hair is explained in time. Suffice to say, as with Jotaro, Josuke is someone who has a lot going on under the surface and not everything always bubbles to the top. He’s more honest with his emotions than Jotaro, hence the mood swings, but he’s still got some stuff he keeps on the down low.

Waffleman_: “Also they super ease off on using the hair thing later on in the manga. I don’t think it even comes up in the second half.

ascalapha odorata: “I feel like every Joestar is uh a bit unhinged but Josuke is actually about as normal as you can get, considering everything. He’s actually a teenager to me, whereas prior jjba teenagers really didn’t act like it? I think that’s what makes him especially endearing . VERY vague spoiler about his personality in general, I swear no actual plot details are revealed here, just broad explanation: He is a smart guy who is thrust into the same sort of extremely serious situations that are typical in the series but in this part he actually gets to, you know, be a kid here and there and just behave accordingly. The fights in this part are fantastic to see but my favorite parts are basically ‘teenagers in morioh being teenagers in more exaggerated jojo ways.’

I know the hair thing is hard to get over since it’s goofy but I swear, he’s a cute lil guy if you give him a chance!”

Bad Seafood: “To draw some attention back to what’s already been discussed, another thing these early chapters do a good job of is establishing Josuke as someone who – rather than being a naive or only recently gifted newcomer – is at least casually familiar with the world of stands and intimately familiar with what his own stand can do. He doesn’t hesitate to attack the woman and the thug because he knows shell be fine. The possibility that she might be permanently injured in some way never seems to cross his mind, and of course leaving the knife inside the thug (without it cutting him open from within) is both skillful and exactly the sort of dick move a young Joseph Joestar would be proud of.”

Hobgoblin2099: “I want to say that the hair thing stops coming up after we get the explanation for why he gets pissed off when people make fun of it.

Lumberjack Bonanza: “When I first started reading Part 4 I had the same issues with Josuke as Xibanya does, and Koichi really. Suffice to say, they come in to their own before very long. Araki’s definitely still feeling these characters out, and I have every confidence they’ll grow on you.

Josuke’s Stand is also real good for some body horror, in case you hadn’t already guessed. :P”

MonsieurChoc: “On the hair thing…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDCEiBeVAY

Bad Seafood: “It’s also worth nothing that Araki (allegedly) planned on concluding Jojo with Part 3, but since it became super popular he decided to keep going. Much like Josuke himself, Part 4 was very much Araki’s unplanned baby, which makes it a bit sweeter that it’s also his (confirmed) favorite part he’s drawn.

Also also, who doesn’t love watching Araki get a feel for things? I always dig these “Nebulous” bits that come right at the start of a new part where you can tell Araki’s still trying to decide who’s who and what’s what.”

Agent Kool-Aid: “the entire series pretty much has elements of things that araki enjoys just kinda rolled into it, but arc 4 is when that starts to become -very- apparent, from the setting to just various details about most everything. i think that once everything got so popular he realized that people enjoyed his brand of weird shit and decided to let more of himself bleed into his work, which really improved on it.”

Naerasa: “I just read through Part 4 after the anime ended but I’m happy to go through it again with this thread. I wasn’t wild about it at first, but once the main antagonist showed up I got way more into it.”

Hobgoblin2099: “I don’t think anyone has asked or explained yet, but I think the first kanji in Higashikata can also be read as “Jo”, which is why Araki chose that as Josuke’s last name.  So he’s still JoJo.”

CodfishCartographer: “I remember being told that the “suke” in his name can be read as “Jo”, so his name can literally be “JoJo”

Hobgoblin2099: “Right, that’s what it was.”

Aurain: “Josuke having three Jo’s would make sense, because he’s the best and most JoJo JoJoJo.”

Lumberjack Bonanza: “That’s the worst name I’ve ever heard.”

FirstAidKite

Next Sunday: Chapters 4 through 6!  Be there or be square!

Pomp: “josuke is really good please read about him”

ascalapha odorata: “That is not the title of part four, but it should be.  That or Josuke and Okuyasu BFF Bro Time

La anatomía del arte de Dragonball: Introducción

Arte
Todo el mundo está de acuerdo en que Dragonball tiene un dibujo fantástico, pero a veces puede ser difícil poner en palabras la razón por la que es tan maravilloso. En esta serie, exploraré las elecciones que hace Akira Toriyama como artista y cómo los resultados de esas elecciones afectan al disfrute del lector. En esta serie destacaré los siguientes temas:

  • La importancia de la claridad; estructura, poses, y equilibrio
  • Composición: el foco y la importancia de flujo
  • El paso de tiempo: Repasamos el flujo e introducimos el ritmo
  • La narración de doble uso: estados de ánimo e interpretación

Esta serie se escribe suponiendo que el lector no tiene entrenamiento formal en las bellas artes, pero todo el mundo está bienvenido a leer. Voy a poner una serie de páginas del capítulo 30 de Dragonball con los personajes representados solamente por sus siluetas. Se ruega leer las páginas sin mirar el capítulo sin alteraciones. Mientras lees, piensa en lo que ves. Piensa en cuánta información puedes obtener de lo que está presentado.





Los comentarios van en la siguente entrada.

Gracias a Petiso por las correciones.

The Anatomy of the Art of Dragonball Part 4 (Continued): Essential Action

Art Critique, Writing Critique
Essential Action

If a character is in a scene, they should have one overarching “essential action” that describes what they do during the entire scene. A character can take many individual actions in a scene, but they should have only one “essential action.” This action, determined once the script is complete, informs the artist how to portray the characters. Let’s go ahead and have a look at Dragonball Chapter 30 and try to reverse-engineer the thought process that went through some of the “acting” we see.

The Anatomy of the Art of Dragonball Part 3 (Continued): Time and the Toriyama

Art Critique

The following was originally posted to the Something Awful forums.

Each panel in a comic represents a length of time passing. In isolation, a single square-shaped panel with one focal point lasts some unit of time in our minds, which I will call a beat. Adding other focal points adds more beats, as does adding dialog – the more dialog, the longer the beat. Since our mind takes in a speech balloon as one unit of time, splitting dialog into more than one separate balloon lengthens the time we perceive as passing – often necessary because if a character’s balloon is a huge wall of text it seems overwhelming, like they’re rattling all that off without moving or pausing. Even so, sometimes splitting balloons isn’t enough to stop a wall of text from being dumb.

Um, so he’s just frozen there with his hand in that position the entire time he’s saying all that? Well OK.

Additionally, in comics panels that are long horizontally with relation to the width of the page are seen as lasting a greater period of time, so panels that stretch across the entire width of the page are seen as lasting the greatest amount of time. These long horizontal panels function in a similar way to a horizontal panning shot in cinema.

Panels that are very long vertically (stretching across 2/3rds or more of the height of the page) can also be seen as depicting a longer period of time than surrounding panels, but the effect is weaker and there is greater risk of confusing the reader because it can often be read that whatever is happening in the vertical panel continues to happen as the stuff in the panels to the right or left of it is happening. A long thin vertical panel is most often used to provide us a full-body shot of a character so we can admire their awesome body or costume or whatever and it’s meant to function in a similar way to a vertical pan in cinema.

It’s best used when it’s safe to assume whatever is happening in the vertical panel continues to happen during the horizontal panels that sit next to it. I personally am not a big fan because usually once you get below the waist (heh) the design isn’t that interesting and the reader’s eyes will wander away, and I’ve seen it used way too many times right next to panels where the featured character then starts doing something, which makes their vertical panel have a weird overlay effect, like I’m watching a flashback or something (in fact I’ve seen vertical panels used deliberately to take sections “out of time.”)

Probably safe to assume here that 17 continues to stand around while Piccolo clenches his fists n’ stuff.

A panel that has several focal points, especially one in which the artist has included “pointers” to force your eye to sweep in a zig-zag pattern across it, is also meant to depict a longer duration of time, and works similarly to a sequence shot in film. In a comic panel, every direction change in the sweep of your eye adds more time to the duration of the shot. This technique is generally suitable for establishing shots meant to show a chaotic scene and should be used sparingly – it’s often not easy to tell at a first glance what the reader should focus on next after absorbing each individual focal point, so if the artist relies on this too much, the reader will feel exhausted and just start skimming.

In summary, to lengthen the period of time a panel is perceived to depict:

  • Add more simultaneous events (focal points, to make the panel the equivalent of a panning shot in cinema)

  • Add speech balloons

  • Make the panel long and thin, particularly on the horizontal axis

  • Force the reader’s eye to zig-zag across the panel (not recommended for regular use)

So a panel like this is one that we would perceive as depicting a comparatively long stretch of time:

Note that it is one page width long, has three disparate elements, and also includes speech bubbles. So as we read from the right edge to the left, we read the huffing and puffing of Roshi, see Roshi, read his next huffing and puffing, see that Krillin is jogging, also huffing and puffing, Goku is jogging, yes, huffing and puffing, and then we see background elements, as if we are stationary observers and these three characters have run past us – and at the moment we observe the palm tree, they are still running (audibly so, too, since Goku’s last huff/puff trails behind him slightly.)

Let’s look at the beginning of Chapter 30, the part I skipped before.

  • We have a large establishing shot of Kame house. We absorb the house and the tree, then see the crowing rooster – we’re meant to linger here.

  • Then we get a small panel with the ringing alarm clock and another small panel of Roshi stopping the alarm clock – both panels each have just one focal point, and both are read as encapsulating very brief moments in time.

  • While the panel with Roshi getting up is about as wide as the above alarm clock panels, it reads as lasting longer. Roshi speaks, we see him sitting up and rubbing the sleep out of his eyes, and the lines in his robe ensure we look all the way down to the bottom of the panel before tracking up and seeing Krillin sleeping. Due to the placement of object in this panel, it functions as a panning shot – imagine a film scene where we see Roshi sit up and rub his eyes, then we widen the shot to include Krillin sleeping, all while Roshi continue to rub his eyes. This panel’s flow basically has a bounce in its trajectory.

  • Roshi gets dressed and talks to Krillin, then in the next panel Krillin says something and Roshi answers, also very brief. These two panels are about as wide as the previous one and include more dialog but they each read as brief and snappy because we sweep across them in a linear way without needing to double back. They do, however, read as taking more time than the alarm clock panels because they have dialog and more elements that take the focus (to be honest I think including the dangling alarm clock in the foreground of the last panel was not a great choice because the leg of the alarm clock very nearly is tangent to Krillin’s sleeve, so it seems like there’s a weird blob there at first because the alarm clock’s silhouette doesn’t stand out. If I were Toriyama I would have shifted it a bit to the left or not included it at all.

  • Roshi walks upstairs. Great use of flow pointers as the lines in this shot all point to Roshi as the focal point. Relatively brief.

  • This panel appears to last some time as our eye sweeps over it in a reverse Z pattern – from Roshi’s thought-bubble dialog to Lunch to Goku to Roshi to Roshi’s 2nd dialog. You could split this into two panels, one showing the sleeping Lunch and Goku and the other showing Roshi’s reaction. This is better though since it tells us where the characters are in relation to each other.

  • The next panel is perfectly square and has one focal point. Pretty brief.

  • The panel of Roshi noticing that Lunch has blond hair is pretty brief because we can sweep over it in one pass.

  • We see Roshi think, then sweat, then think as he continue sweating and contemplating Lunch. This one is fun because we read the first bubble, then look at Roshi, then read the next bubble, then look at Roshi, then we follow Roshis’ gaze to Lunch. It’s the use of the speech balloons that draw out the “time” in this panel – it works because the end of the dialog in the first balloon takes us to Roshi’s head, and the bottom of the dialog in the next balloon also is up close to Roshi’s head (unlike the last panel where the last balloon doesn’t point us back to Roshi.) This helps us imagine Roshi frozen in that position while he plans his next move.

  • This panel invites us to linger because it’s really akin to a panning shot – we focus on Roshi and then our gaze travels down the handle of the broom, taking in the speech bubbles and characters, landing us on Goku’s face getting hit.

  • The top two panels here are both very brief beats, showing one action happening right after another. Pow, Goku wakes up! Pow, Lunch wakes up!  Notice how in the first panel of this page, the speech bubble is in the upper left corner.  That’s important, because if it weren’t we would read Roshi being afraid first and then see Goku speak, when in fact Roshi is afraid BECAUSE Goku has spoken (to be specific, he’s afraid of what will happen when Lunch awakes.)  Even though Roshi is left of Goku, we read his action as happening after Goku’s chronologically.  It’s a clever bit of placement that’s easy to miss.

  • This next panel is pretty funny. While we can sweep across it in one linear direction, the fact that the panel spans the entire width of the page makes it seem to last a long period of time. Because it’s a close up shot, we feel intimately close – awkwardly close. We get the feeling that Goku and Lunch stare at each other (Goku with his hand raised) for some length of time not moving, just sizing each other up.

  • The panel of Lunch getting up has us start on Lunch’s face, travel down her leg to Goku, and then up for Goku’s dialog, causing this scene to linger slightly longer than the next panel because we had a bend in the flow. (Notice also that Lunch’s head is the main focal point but all the lines point down to Goku’s head, from the wall, to the sheets, and yes, Lunch’s leg.) The panel of Lunch trying to shoot Goku, while having a similar width, seems faster because we can sweep our eyes across it in a straight line.

  • Lunch shoots Goku and we see Goku react. This is like a panning shot in that we perceive Lunch as continuing to shoot Goku while we focus on his reaction.

  • This panel is pretty brief – just one action

  • The action-line panel of Goku’s kick definitely invites us to linger. It’s as wide as the entire page and builds a huge level of tension with the speedlines and intensity of the pose.

  • The panel wherein Goku’s kick connects is a brief but satisfying resolution to the tension created in the previous panel. It has a single point of focus.

  • The last panel has a longer duration than the previous one because we first see Lunch beat up on the floor and then see Goku; we imagine Lunch is still on the floor twitching or whatever while Goku has his dialog.

And now the grand creepshot, Goku stands watching as Roshi hovers his finger over the prone form of a woman who was beaten unconscious.

My final remark, on the last panel (also an establishing shot) we are meant to perceive Roshi as continuing to speak the dialog that’s in his balloons while Goku and Krillin look on, even if our eyes don’t sweep over them until after reading Roshi’s dialog. That’s the magic of comics – your brain stitches it together for you automatically.

New Leaf: “I’ve never seen Dragonball, why is Kame House in a field and not on the island?”

Covok: “He moved it to train them. It fits in a capsule.”

Alpha3KV: “Animated adaptations can really highlight when characters are talking for too long. I’ve recently seen some of the Marvel Super Heroes cartoons from the 60’s. These were essentially slideshows of comic panels with audible voices in place of speech bubbles and minimal animation. It always looks kind of silly, but never more than when somebody has a monologue. That’s when you can get over half a minute of a static image on screen with only the mouth moving. I remember some old retsupurae featuring a flash animation of a webcomic that pointed out this happening. The current JoJo anime has also occasionally had moments where there’s just a close-up of a character’s face as they monologue while some deadly attack is coming their way.

Of course I would be remiss not to mention Dragonball Z here, the anime being notorious for things taking forever (e.g. the infamous “five minutes” on Namek). As I understand it, much of that is filler and padding that was added because the anime was catching up to the manga too quickly. That’s basically the other side of the same coin. Putting a comic’s events into real time and formatting it for TV slots can result in things being resolved much more efficiently than they were in the source material. The fundamental differences in format mean not everything always translates well from one to the other.”

Agreed.  Somewhat lazily using the manga itself as a storyboard often leads to less-than-great adaptations.  This may be an area where the American way of handling comic adaptations might be better.  Many Justice League and Justice League Unlimited episodes were based on stories from the comics but they were all written specifically for TV, and while I wasn’t its intended audience, the Teen Titans cartoon was enormously successful with kids who would never crack open a superhero book.

Petiso: “This is specially ridiculous in sports anime, where it makes it look like the field is several miles long.

Nice work as always, Xibanya, I never realized plenty of those things, like how the close up of Goku and Lunch helps the reader feel the awkwardness of the situation. It’s a lot of things you know that work but it’s hard to explain why.”

Just to illustrate the power of a long horizontal panel, I took one of the above pages and made a gif that shows one panel at a time.  The duration of each frame is proportional to the horizontal width of the panel.  Here’s what you get:

Obviously it doesn’t work perfectly like this in comics since so many other factors can influence the perceived time duration of a panel, but it’s a nice way of illustrating the rough principles.

Superman vs. Goku

Writing Critique

This post originally appeared on the Something Awful forums.

Introduction: Goku is more popular than Superman

Superman’s problem is that, at least right now, he does not resonate on a deep level with anyone under the age of 30. I mean, sure, it can be fun to go out and see the latest Superman movie at the movie theater, but Supes himself is not what he used to be. Per comichron.com, 823,829 copies of “Adventures of Superman”, Superman’s primary monthly ongoing, were paid for in 1965. In 2014, Superman’s primary monthly ongoing sold only 97,166 copies. Almost everyone has some sort of fictional world that was very influential on them in their formative years. The kind of thing that, even with all its flaws exposed, still evokes feelings of happiness, even affection. While I don’t have raw data on this assumption like I did for the sales figures, I’m going to say that the number of people who feel a closeness with the Dragonball franchise is much larger than the number of people who feel the same for the Superman franchise.

Why? Thesis: Superman is less appealing to modern audiences than Goku because of two unfortunate flaws: first, his core qualities are tied to a presentation that is not as appealing or relevant to modern audiences; second, there are huge pressures preventing any change to the fundamental aspects of Superman’s presentation.

Why was Superman so popular?

I’m going to discuss the presentation of Superman’s core qualities vs. the presentation of Goku’s core qualities and why Goku’s presentation is more suited to modern readers’ than Superman’s. I say “presentation” because at their core, they are both very similar characters – many people who have made more superficial comparisons than then one I’m attempting right here have cited Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero with a Thousand Faces” so you can probably just google “Goku Superman monomyth.” Some people complain that music producers have managed to engineer repetitive pop music that prods your brain into liking it even though each song has the same beats – to which I say c’mon, son, we figured that out for narratives like 5000 years ago. There’s just something that makes our brain squirt dopamine when it comes to stories about people who are somehow special or powerful in some way who fight enemies who are just as powerful as they are and in doing so showcase the best of both themselves and what we value as humanity.

So since the obligatory “how are they alike” paragraph is out of the way, let’s talk about the differences.

Why was Superman so popular to begin with?

Superman’s first appearance was in 1933, right in the middle of the Great Depression, meaning he provided a power fantasy to powerless readers. His outfit was familiar to his initial audience as it was designed to resemble that of a circus strongman. Buying a comic book in those days was relatively cheap, and it was one of the most affordable forms of entertainment in terms of both monetary cost and time. Alternative forms of home entertainment: books (this is also the golden age of the pulp novel) and radio (though in 1930 only 40% of Americans even had a radio – would be 90% in 1940). Through the middle of the 20th century, comics were the ideal form of entertainment for kids – portable, inexpensive, and, very importantly, due to their episodic nature, easy to discuss with friends. You could be working class, middle class, or maybe even rich, and still enjoy a Superman Comic. There’s another component of Superman’s presentation that I don’t see discussed as much as I believe the topic warrants. Superman is not only a heroic selfless character (as any character following the monomyth pattern would be), Superman is also a moral authority. The Comics Code Authority, whose standards were in use from the 50s to sometime 20-30 years ago, ensured that Superman would never behave in any way short of upstanding, but even independent from that, Superman is the unassailable arbiter of right and wrong – Lois and Jimmy behave like a petulant children and Superman gently scolds them and saves them from their own poor decisions. Supergirl and Krypto look to Superman as the “father” of their Super-family. For a child inundated with Cold War scaremongering, I imagine that having a strong authority figure to look up to would have been quite comforting.

What made Supes less fun?

Jumping forward to after the fall of the iron curtain, a lot of these qualities aren’t just neutral, they’re downright unattractive. “What’s the deal with superheroes wearing their underwear on the outside of their pants!” is like the “What’s the deal with airplane food!” of preteen humor. I don’t know many people whose parents made a habit of taking them to the circus. Weirdly enough, I actually did go to the circus often as a kid (it was always in town right around my birthday) and I remember most of the acts being built around death-defying stunts and/or animals. I guess strong guys aren’t that interesting to go see IRL now that you can watch ’em on ESPN or something. So to modern kids Supes’ look is just “the established superhero look,” with no real rhyme or reason, and certainly no connection to the real world. Nobody short of a fan at a convention would want to actually go around wearing that getup. Comic books are also not a great form of entertainment for a kid. They’re pretty expensive and you have to wait a month between each issue. Even worse, they have a high barrier to entry in terms of getting up to speed with the story and characters. You could, as I did, pick up an issue of Wonder Woman in 1996, find it peppered with footnotes, and not know what the hell was going on. That means even if you did manage to get into Superman comics as a preteen in the 90s, who are you going to talk about the latest issue with? Most of your friends aren’t going have the funds or patience required to get up to speed. And then the biggest stumbling block for a preteen kid just looking to have fun, this horror, brought to us in the 80s and “perfected” in the 90s – the company-wide crossover. To get what’s happening with Supes, you have to also buy 5 other comic books. Actually following a modern ongoing is the domain of either adults or the children of the middle class.

OK, but that’s just the comic – what about the character itself, featured in several cartoons in the last two decades. That brings me back to how Superman is the quintessential paternal authority figure. Even in his 90s cartoon, Superman doesn’t get tired and lash out in anger. Superman doesn’t act selfishly in a weak moment. In the Justice League series, Superman is a senior member of the League and acts in part as its moral center. His best moment in all of these cartoons is his famous “world of cardboard” speech where he discusses how he HAS to be perfect all the time because if he makes one little fuckup, he could kill someone. It’s a fascinating moment of pathos, but nobody can hear that speech and think, “yes, that is me! I can be like that!”

Superman is your dad. In many cases, Superman is a fond childhood figure TO your dad. Supes IS the establishment. And we dont’ like the establishment around these parts. (“No, fuck YOU dad.”)

Why is Goku so popular?

So let’s talk about Goku now. We like to joke about how Goku is the world’s worst father, but in a way that reveals part of his appeal. Does YOUR Dad act like Goku? I should fucking hope not. So weirdly, even though Supes isn’t a father in most of the known versions of his franchise and Goku is, Goku doesn’t read as this paternal figure who’s gonna come and tell you to pick up your goddamn room and write a thank-you letter to Grandma. I’ve read a lot of people who said Goku taught them bravery or that, in a weird mutation of WWJD, they ask themselves “What would Goku do?” but I have never read someone say “Goku was the father I never had.” (And I have read people say that of Optimus Fucking Prime of all people…robots.) Goku’s just a simple guy who does what he thinks is right, but he’s sometimes selfish (eats all of Roshi’s prize money away), sometimes careless (see beginning scenes where he somehow loses track of the whereabouts of his 4-year-old son), and every now and then commits a social faux pas (talking to everyone, even Gods and Kings, like a hick). He is more or less the best we can realistically aspire to – we’ll never be perfect, but we can try to do our best to be courageous. Who can hope to emulate Superman’s perfection?

Goku’s costume is relatable as well. Goku wears a gi. Gis are fuckin’ cool. If I had one I would wear that shit out to the park.

Oh yeah and the violence. Preteens love violence, or at least the sense that there are consequences to what they’re watching (lol violence has no consequences in the world of comics) DBZ is more violent than the Justice League cartoon and it’s a fuckload more violent than the comics of the 50s and 60s. Maybe on par with the 1985 comics and forward, but that brings me back to continuity.

Yes, DBZ is a linear story and isn’t episodic, but it is a hell of a lot easier to enter as a beginner than any given Superman issue of the last several decades. Hell, most of us started out never having seen Dragonball. You got these seemingly random characters like Yamcha or Chaotzu, but there’s never a plot twist that hinges on knowing some obscure fact about them from years ago. You can watch DBZ at home, then go chat with your friends about it and argue about power levels. Watching DBZ is affordable. You just need a TV and maybe cable (although I believe when it aired in some countries, you didn’t even need that!) You don’t need to get your parents to drive you to a store or buy you a subscription. You can enjoy DBZ independently, even if you’re a kid. If you’re a preteen you can nerd out about DBZ with your friends even if your friends are poorer than yourself. Full disclosure, I am a comics nerd, but not a single one of my IRL friends is. I’ve got no one IRL with whom I can share the joy that is Blue Beetle. I’ve turned to drugs and the internet to dull the pain.

Alternate explanations for Supes’ waning popularity

Q: If Superman doesn’t “get tired and lash out in anger,” how do you explain this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VPOP7huew

A: What I meant was, he doesn’t snap at Batman or something just as a result of being physically tired the way one might say something kinda catty to their spouse just because they had a bad day. (As in, he’s a paragon of virtue we can’t hope to emulate due to our human failings.) I didn’t make that explicit as I should have though, and that is a sweet fight scene.

Also, to be clear, I’m speaking about how likely it is for either franchise to be cherished in the heart of someone because of their fond memories of it from their preteen/teen years. I know that it’s quite possible to come to love Supes as an adult – I didn’t “get” Superman until I was well into college.

NowonSA: “Branching off from continuity, there’s also the fact that there’s simply less media (comics/manga, movies, cartoons/anime) about Goku than there is about Superman by a wide margin. Even a great idea or character can get boring if you see it, or him, too much. DBZ is also primarily Goku’s story, but there’s plenty of episodes of the anime that he’s not in at all, or plays a very minor role in. By comparison, Superman tends to be the focus of things (in general, I know there are plenty of exceptions) even in a team-up or justice league book, simply because he’s Superman.”

I have plenty of friends who like Spiderman and can’t wait to see more Spiderman movies; my best friend’s fiance loooooooves Spiderman and reads every issue (lives in another town so my reason for drugging and interneting myself into an early grave still stand). Spider-man is in a shitload of media. Furthermore, I have a boatload of friends who will rave about the 90s X-Men cartoon and buy X-men video games, even if they don’t read any X-men ongoing comics. And don’t get me started on Batman. Everyone loves Batman. His 90s animated series was baller (and watched by everyone) and the video games are even moreso (and played by everyone).

We all want more Spiderman, X-men, and Batman. We don’t want more Superman. Why? Spidey, Bats, and the X-men are all anti-establishment. If you’re a modern kid, do you really want to be with the establishment? If you’re a racial minority, gay, an immigrant, sort of funny looking, a latchkey child, just kind of a rebel shithead, or whatever, the answer is no. Supes has a reputation, deserved or no, for being establishment. Even if you can run a bunch of what-if stories and little side stories where a different aspect of Superman is explored, you will never see a cartoon, video game, or movie feature a genuinely fresh take on the character. You won’t even know if, let’s say, a story about what would happen if Supes landed in the USSR as a baby even existed unless you were already somehow plugged into the comic book scene. If you were some kid who didn’t already read comics and who didn’t have a friend or family member who read comics, you wouldn’t say to your parents, “take me to the comic book store, for I hear there will be an alternate take on Superman that I will like more than the established version of the character.” And unorthodox takes on the character will always be comics-only.

Blue Star: “That’s a fascinating analysis, Xibanya. I’d tweak it a little to include people born a little earlier than 1985, maybe close to 1980. I was born in December 1983 and for me Superman was just sort’ve there. I enjoyed the WB animated Batman and Superman shows but DBZ completely ensnared me when I first saw it in 1997. One thing I think you left out, though, is the rise of the internet in the 90s and early 2000s. I think that might’ve been a factor to DBZ’s success. Because even if there weren’t a lot of other kids to discuss DBZ at school you could still go online and talk about it.”

I would say the internet does not account for the DB franchise’s global success. My best friend from high school is from Brownsville, Texas, and she had all the DBZ movies on videotape. Her family was also broke as shit and she never had a computer (she still doesn’t actually. She uses her phone exclusively for what I usually do with a computer). Mexicans gonna watch DBZ man, they won’t let things like a lack of internet stop them. I would actually say what makes the internet significant is not so much because it fueled DBZ fandom (though it undeniably played a huge role in fandom in the United States) but because it was yet another alternative to comic books as a form of entertainment.

It’s impossible to “fix” Superman

We’ve discussed why Goku’s presentation resonates on a deep level to modern audiences while Superman’s does not. Now I’m going to discuss why it’s impossible to “fix” Superman in the sense of making his character really grab audiences the way it once did in the mid 20th century.

So, about Supes. He’s a household name in a way that Goku doesn’t come close to matching. If the Scarlet Pimpernel is the granddaddy of all superheroes, Superman is THE daddy of all superheroes. The tropemaker and trendsetter. Yet he’s kinda not fun. Surely the rich guys who run DC comics can hire some consultants to help them punch it up a bit (haw) so what gives?

Part of it is that Superman is not really the character or the story. Superman is a brand. You know immediately what he looks like. You know what he talks like and acts like. He’s practically the mascot of American comics, the mascot of DC comics in all but name. Yeah, he has a comic, but the money that brings in is peanuts compared with the merchandise. You got toys, picture books, costumes, PJs, T-shirts, movies, movie tie-ins, video games, mugs, keychains, etc etc etc. People who don’t even give a flying fuck about Superman probably have at least one Superman branded item in their home. (I have Superman PJs my mom bought me. She doesn’t even know I like comics.) You can’t change the way Superman looks because then you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Oh yeah, sometimes you get a costume revamp or whatever, but that’s always comics-only and while you can get some kind of deluxe 10″ figure of Supes in the new costume, it never bleeds out into mainstream merch. And inevitably the new design in the comic is reverted back to the classic design to great fanfare (often accompanied by the comic trumpeting “You asked, we listend!”). In short, changing Superman will damage the brand and make the shareholder’s less money, at least in the short run.

But money aside, fans won’t allow any changes to be made to the character. You can’t change Superman, he’s always been that way! Even though for decades now Superman has existed on echo nostalgia – you have to go back to the early 1930s to get to a time where there is not a single person who can claim to have fond memories of reading Superman as a child. As a recent and concrete example of how you can’t even change things very much for a character seen as “nostalgic,” even in an out of continuity story, look no father than the “Epic Mickey” video game. Mickey Mouse suffers from a similar issue. He used to be a scrappy trickster a la Bugs Bunny but became sanitized over the years to the point of basically being a living saint. Early press for the game promised that it would be a return to Mickey’s roots when he could actually have flaws and moral failings. The game purported to have a morality system where if you acted good, Mickey would look like a shining beacon of virtue, and if you acted bad, Mickey would start to look mean. This got thrown out before release because play testers hated the idea that Mickey could be anything less than a paragon of virtue.

http://www.1up.com/news/scrapper-mickey-removed-disney-epic

Disney Epic Mickey focuses on the mouse’s ability to make choices, resulting in a good heroic Mickey, or an evil “scrapper” Mickey (above) — or at least, it used to. The Mainichi Daily News reports (via Joystiq) that the mean-looking mouse is being removed from the game after Junction Point found he did poorly in focus testing. Instead, bad behaviors like theft and erasure (i.e. cartoon murder) will result in a smudgy look.

“People don’t like when you mess with Mickey,” said creator Warren Spector. “We did a focus test that was really eye-opening for me. There was a biker dude saying, ‘Oh, I’d never play a Mickey Mouse game,’ and then we showed him images of a changed Mickey. I was sitting there thinking, ‘You’re gonna love what we do,’ but he said, ‘No! Don’t mess with my childhood.'”

So there you have it: the game concept of moral choice is still in, but Mickey will look a lot less menacing because a biker dude (who would never play the game) wants his childhood left alone. If only that biker knew the power he wields. For the time being we’ll just trust that Spector knows what he’s doing. Check out our hands-on E3 preview for more information.

You can bet that people who don’t even give a fuck about Superman comics, people who have never ever read comics, would flip if you made any kind of change to the character. If you need more proof, just look at the hysteria in the 90s over the “Death of Superman” (when savvy fans all knew he’d be back eventually) or non-fans freaking out over the dissolution of Peter and MJ’s marriage in Spider-Man (I’m not fond of the plot twist myself, but they stayed married in the other versions of the franchise, why are all you normals gettin’ mad?)

The Fall of Goku

SO, that brings me back to Goku.

I believe that the DBZ franchise is far from over. I’d say these movies and DB Kai are testing the waters for a more modern series. DBZ will go on. And there may come a time when modern audiences cannot relate to Goku. Given that Toei’s answer was to literally revisit Goku’s childhood instead of finding a way forward, you can bet that if that time comes, Goku will stagnate just as Superman has done for all the reasons outlined above. (Goku appears in public service announcements and soft drink commercials? No way he’s ever going to appreciably change in appearance or get replaced by a younger character.) And if they tried, fans worldwide would scream bloody murder.

To sum up some of the previous parts, Superman is less appealing to modern audiences than Goku in part because Superman is associated with establishment authority. The popular perception of Superman is that he fights crime. By it’s very nature, fighting crime means seeking out people who are going against the mandates of authority and passing judgement on them right there. And Superman, the crimefighter/defender of Earth has a master – that master is The Law, or at least his own rigid moral code.

But what if the audience has lost faith in its governing institutions? It has been well documented in the USA at least that faith in central authority has eroded considerably since Watergate. It wouldn’t surprise me if Japan had a severe crisis of faith in the post WWII era. Japan has a culture that forces one to submit to authority in order to get ahead, but Japanese movies and TV (real scientific, I know) imply to me that when a salaryman kisses their boss’s ass, often they’re just going through the motions.

Enter Goku – Goku does not fight crime in the sense that he goes out into the world looking for people he thinks are up to no good and then raining hurt down upon them. All of his conflicts are quite personal. And while Goku has martial arts masters, he has no master in the sense that he serves no one, not even The Law. So Goku is Superman for an era in which we have lost faith in institutions and instead have faith in ourselves.

So one threat to Goku’s popularity would be a cultural shift towards faith in institutions. Hard to say if that would actually happen, but if it did, kids might prefer a strong authority figure who upholds law and order to a goofy manchild who just fights people who mess with him and his friends.

The biggest threat to Goku, however, is increasing diversity of options. DBZ in many parts of the world, was the only prominent anime available at the time – that means the only show with a serialized format (instead of stand alone episodes) and the only show that showed a semi-serious story with violence that had consequences as opposed to goofy slapstick for laughs. When I first started watching DBZ in the late 90s, there was absolutely nothing else like it on TV. But if you’re a preteen today and you want to watch a sem-serious serialized cartoon that has punching with consequences (I should start a band called Punching With Consequences) you have a veritable buffet of choices. As TFS has cheekily pointed out, you can have Ninja Goku (Naruto), Pirate Goku (One Piece), or if you want your Gokus to be made in America and animated in Korea you can watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. There are tons more that I haven’t even listed because if I did we’d be here all day. A goon here mentioned how the internet fuelled DBZ fandom, permitting fans to discuss episodes over the net – but these days you’ve got Hulu, YouTube, and other streaming services that weren’t available then, meaning that when picking out your punchmans show of choice you’re not even restricted to punchmans that air when you get home from school.

Since Dragonball was the trendsetter for modern Shonen, creators have had three decades to expand and improve the formula. So what does it take for Goku to stay relevant with Luffy and Naruto? More new material, certainly, but except for Battle of Gods, we’ve just been getting retreads of old material (video games just follow the established storyline, next movie is literally revisiting an old foe). The franchise needs new stories to move forward.

So what does Goku need to stay beloved in the hearts of children and adults around the world? More Goku.

An aside:

Even if we get more Goku, if the show’s creators (Toriyama, Toei, et al,) are unwilling to let anyone other than Goku be the hero, they have limited the number of stories they can tell. Sure, you can have a parade of amazing new bad guys, but you can’t have any significant character development on the part of Goku. Fundamentally, all good stories show the protagonist confronted with a choice – change something about themselves for the better or decline. If they change for the better, you get a happy ending – even if the lead dies! (Carton, “A Tale of Two Cities”) If they refuse to change, you get a tragic ending, even if they live (Creon, “Antigone”). But you really don’t have much latitude with Goku as he is at the end of DBZ. And even if you did, you can’t change the fundamental nature of Goku for the same reason Superman’s costume will never permanently change – Goku is a brand now. He’s too firmly established to change without having fans scream bloody murder or losing merchandising revenue. This isn’t a deadly flaw, however. We don’t even need real Goku character development, after all, Batman is still a brooding loner, Spider-man is still a wisecracking nerd, but in order to tell a wider variety of stories, I think that the supporting cast needs to be permitted to have a little more focus – after all, with Spidey and Bats, the bulk of the character development is mainly done by their supporting cast anyway. I do have hope, however, since Toriyama hinted that this might happen in the movie coming out uh, is it today? So we’ll see.